Thursday, February 19, 2009

Dimanche n'est pas un nom personnel français ...

... avec une exception, à laquelle je reviendrais. Noël est Pâcques sont représentés par Noël et Natalie et par Pascal(e). Mais Dimanche, le jour hebdomadal du repos? Il ne semble pas que les français soient tellement fiers de se reposer pour honorer Dieux et la Résurrection ...

Autrement les Juifs. Les noms de famille Chabat (comédien Alain Chabat) et Sabatier témoignenet que les juifs (et quelquesuns de leurs descendants chrétiens) sont fiers du jour hebdomadal du Seigneur comme désigné par le Vieux Testament.

Mais également les espagnols. Reprenons les noms des jours en Latin et en Espagnol:



Lunae Dies Lunes Lundi
Martis Dies Martes Mardi
Mercurii Dies Miercoles Mercredi
Jovis Dies Jueves Jeudi
Veneris Dies Viernes Vendredi
Sabbati Dies Sábado Samedi
Dominica Dies Domingo Dimanche



Oui, en Espagnol le nom de Dimanche, Domingo, est également un prénom. Porté par aux moins quatre saints: Domenico Loricato, Domingo de Silos, Domingo de la Calzada et - biensur - Domingo Guzmán. Et quoique le jour Dimanche soit en latin une phrase au feminin, Dominica Dies, le nom devient Dominicus. D'ou Dominique en français. Dominique veut donc dire Dimanche.

En Grec, Vendredi s'appelle Parascheve ou Paraschivi d'après le jour de préparation/Vendredi Saint. Ste Paraschève, appelée Petka était une moniale de Palestine.

Les Montiliens sont d'?

Le Petit Robert des noms propres donne Montiliens pas seulement pour Montélimar, Drôme, mais également pour Monteux, Vaucluse.

Selon l'étymologie latine un montilianus est quelqu'un qui vient du Montilium. Où ça? J'ai trouvé une petite liste, je ne sais pas si elle est complête ou pas.

Bon de Coston, Histoire de Montélimar, 1878, Montélimar, volume I (sur I - IV), page 84 nous renseigne:

On voit pour la première fois le nom d'Adhémar uni à celui de Monteil [=Montilium, le vieux nom de Montélimar], dans le document précité de 1178 sous la forme Montilium Adhemari ... Dans les XVe et XVIe siècles, on écrivit Montelheymar et Monteilaymar ...

D'après Aymar du Rivail, qui écrivit vers 1535, l'adition du nom d'Adhémar servait à distinguer Montélimar d'avec Montélier (Montilium) et plusieurs autres localités portant ce nom. Ce sont notemment Montéléger, Montilium Lagerii en 1157 et en 1238; Monteux près de Carpentras, Montilium en 1030 ...; Beaumont-Monteux, près de Valence, Montilius en 843; Le Monteil, près du Puy, qui parait être le Montilium et la Villa de Montiliis mentionnés en deux actes antérieurs au XIIe siècle, et enfin le Fisc de Monteil, près de Narbonne, Montilium Fiscum, dont il est question dans une donation de 899.

Le mot "enfin" était peut-être mal choisi. Au Gard il y a un Monteillet aussi.

Friday, December 19, 2008

To stop a journey=to mend a day

The English verb ”to stop” once upon a time evidently did not mean ”hold back” or ”make ... cease” or - intransitively ”cease”. Its cognates in German and Swedish* mean ”mend”, which in turn is a French word, and if you have ever mended a hole in a pair of socks or a knitted pullover you know what the verb ”stop” used to mean. As far as I have gathered, the word is now obsolete in that sense, and every English speaker - at least in the Standard Dialects - uses ”mend” for it.

A wound is a hole in the skin and the ”walls” of a bloodvessel. If you can ”mend” - I mean ”stop” - a hole in a garment, you can also ”mend” - I mean ”stop” - the hole you call a wound. When you ”stop” the wound, you hold the blood back from running. Hence:

”stop a wound”+”make a bleeding cease”=”stop a bleeding/bloodflow” - a phrase that is still current.

And, if you consider it rightly, there already you have the modern English sense of the verb ”to stop”, though as far as that is concerned, only applied to blood as yet.

Of course, you might equally ”stop” (old sense) a hole in a wallet or sack to ”stop” (new sense) the coins or beans from running out.

I do not pretend to know which situation (mending a wound or a sack) first saw this extension of the word ”to stop”. If I had been C. S. Lewis or J. R. R. Tolkien I would have known. I would most likely have known other ramifications of the sense as well, and I would have been able to cite texts where the old sense i still extant or the new already there (at least ambiguously or maybe without ambiguity, which it is, is sometimes impossible to know), or when and where the new gets widened from liquids and other amorph objects to animals and men running on legs.

The English word ”journey” is just a synonym of voyage, nowadays. Once it was the French word ”journée”.

”Au sens de ’temps pendant lequel il fait clair’, jour a un dérivé, JOURNÉE, n. f. (v. 1150, journee), avec lequel il entretient des rapports analogues (mais non identiques) à ceux qui existent entre an et année : la journée est plus pleine, plus étoffée que le jour. Le mot se rapporte en particulier à un jour de voyage, à un jour de travail (1155), d’où, par métonymie, à la rémunération d’une telle journée de travail (1267 - 1268).”

Dictionnaire Historique de la Langue Française.


Briefly: le jour means day (as opposed to night) and la journée is what you do in it: how far you walk or ride, how much you work, how much you get paid for it (all in a day).

A journeyman has as such nothing to do with making journeys in the geographical sense, it was a man who made his living essentially on daily wages.

And the oldest voyage to be called journey in England was of course: the voyage you do riding or walking one day.

If French speakers could make ”day’s march” a typical meaning of a word meaning essentially ”what you do in a day” druing the times 900 years ago, when English nobility spoke French, it means that walking or riding was one very typical content of one day. And if ”travel” is the same word as ”travail” (=”child birth pains” - the verb ”travailler” did not take the sense ”work” until the Renaissance, according to same lexicon), it was not always pleasant to voyage. So stopping a journey would really mean mending a day that had tired and sweated you.

But the fact that journeymen were paid daily and could leave any day they wanted without loss of wage, as well as the fact that voyages were typical enough contents of a day to give us the word journey convey the idea of a freedom that has been lost since back then.

Hans Lundahl
Aix en Provence
22/9 févr. 2008

*stopfen, stoppa; the Dictionnaire Historique gives us the entry:

”ÉTOFFER v. tr. est issu (v. 1190) du francique °stopfôn ”mettre, fourrer, enfoncer dans” (cf. ancien haut allemand stopfôn de même sens) issu d’un ancien stoppôn (cf. le néerlandais stoppen)...”


In brief: ”stopping” a hole means stuffing it with something.

Speaking of right format ...

On blogs older messages tend to get into a "black hole". They get difficult to find for yourself and for your readers. The more posts you have, the harder some of them are to find.

Two tips:






  • 1 make an index to all of the blog, either on a separate blog post to which you link from main page or on a text (in which you can link, which you do) as added item on margin or bottom of main page.
  • 2 make minor, partial indexes to serialised blog posts, attach them to each of the blog posts concerned, either by reediting or as comments.















Series on writing, English: 1 Verse drama today 2 Scott McCloud - The invisible Art 3 Some Inklings' Children's books' statistics 4 Speaking of right format ...

Series on etymology, word meanings and comparative linguistics (including orthograhy), English: 1 Milk and Gollum, and Nostratic M-L-Q 2 On the "grey" of grey-friars ... 3 To stop a journey=to mend a day 4 From Jesus to Coelho 5 Pronoucing Swedish, two common phrases

Series on literary criticism, English: 1 "Antigone's flaw" 2 Review of an adverse criticism 3 Promo: "Against Readings" (i e Marxist Readings, Freudian Readings, et c)

Historical and such: 1 Marriage sole carreer? 2 Austrian flag means: "Thou shalt not pass" 3 When was Beowulf written? 4 Astrology may well be astrolatry, BUT not because of geocentrism "of Babylonians" or of extra month in Pagan Greek calendar.

Tolkien lingustics and language philosophical questions: 1 Milk and Gollum, and Nostratic M-L-Q 2 Is Boromir a mimsy borogove? 3 "If God spoke a language" - to correct Grimm

Accusative and Dative for English speakers ...






Lloyd Chudley Alexander, mémoire éternelle

Série d'étymologie et d'autres questionnettes: 1 Diverses questionnettes de philologie 2 Le Chocolate ... hein? (prénez-en une cuiller) 3 Les Montiliens sont d'où? 4 Dimanche n'est pas un nom personnel français ... 5 Les Gogo sont basques? 6 Lundahl, pas Lindhal, s v p! 7 Pronoucing Swedish, two common phrases

Patois, argot ou langue littéraire - z'ont tous une structure.

Série sur la bonne écriture, français: 1 En tout art ... 2 Escapisme 3 "repli identitaire" - tenèbres du laïcisme"









versifikation
Tyskans kasus
Tiffany
"Claude Gérard", författare-pseudonym
om svenska: Pronoucing Swedish, two common phrases









Der Gau oder das Auenland?










Con-sti-tu-ci-o-na-li-sta
"photograpsit" an "photegrapse"?

Thursday, December 18, 2008

Some Inklings' Children's books' statistics

For people who would like to get the format right when writing for children.

Ten books:
The Seven Chronicles of Narnia, by C. S. Lewis
The Hobbit, Farmer Giles of Ham, Smith of Wootton Major, by J. R. R. Tolkien

Ten chapters:
Two each from end of Horse and His Boy and beginning of Prince Caspian.
One from Voyage of the Dawn Treader, two from Silver Chair.
Three from The Hobbit (6, 7, 8)

List of chapter numbersList of paragraph numbers List of speech numbers List of verse numbers
19 103 109 24
17 67 96 21
16 51 72 18
16 41 68 -
16 30 66 -
15 30 62 -
15 30 47 -
15 28 46 -
"9" 24 45 -
? 24 40 -
















Max


Upper quartan


Median


Lower quartan


Min

Chapters
per book:

19

16

15/16

15

?

Paragraphs
per chapter,
excepting dialogue:

103

51

30

28

24

Dialogue paragraphs
per chapter:

109

72

62/66

46

40

Verses per chapter

24

18

-

-

-



See also
Foster Grant UK
WORD COUNTS OF THE MOST POPULAR BOOKS IN THE WORLD
Date August 3, 2017
https://blog.fostergrant.co.uk/2017/08/03/word-counts-popular-books-world/

Monday, December 8, 2008

Con-sti-tu-ci-o-na-li-sta

En Dinamarca soy monarquico, en Suiza republicano.

Dinamarca es un reino despues del tiempe del rey Frothón I aunque ciertos le consideran y consideran otros reyes nordicos como aliases de dioses.

Suiza es una federación de republicas bastante pequeñas.

Hay constituciones un poco mas complicados, por ejemplo ser los dos a la vez, como el Imperio Romano Cristiano despues de San Constantino - una constitución heredada de tiempos paganos, entonces después César Agosto, contemporaneo de Frothón I.

En algunos lugares, como los Reinos antiguos en los pireneos se añaden también parlamentos o cortes.

En algunos paises se añaden también querelas sobre la constitución correcta. En una situación de consenso no forzado no hay duda que la succesión legitima en el poder es la succesión constitucional.

Thursday, December 4, 2008

Review of an adverse criticism

...of an adverse criticism

The Monster:

And behold! it was a winged creature: if bird, then greater than all other birds, and it was naked, and neither quill nor feather did it bear, and its vast pinions were as webs of hide between horned fingers; and it stank. A creature of an older world maybe it was, whose kind, lingering in forgotten mountains cold beneath the Moon, outstayed their day, and in hideous eyrie bred this last untimely brood, apt to evil.



The Critic:

There's something hesitant and tentative in such passages, suggesting a writer whose imagination is not all that sharply focused on what he wants us to see.



My comment:
It has not occurred to the eminent (or otherwise) critic, that Tolkien is describing, what in a letter to a reader he called "something perydactylish": and that the hobbit who is supposed to have written this in Westron could hardly have heard about this Greek and scientific name of it. Supposing this to describe a live pterodactyl (ridden by a demonic ghost) to someone who has never heard that name, the description is economical:

"And behold!" - you'd say that too, if you had to face a live pterodactyl with a demon rider

"it was a winged creature:" - bird, bat or, as is the case here, something pterodactylish

"if bird, then greater than all other birds," - in fact bigger than a bird

"and it was naked, and neither quill nor feather did it bear," - not a bird then

"and its vast pinions were as webs of hide between horned fingers;" - but a "reptile" except that such crawl and do not fly: i e a pterodactyl

"and it stank." - as a creature ridden by a demon [or demonic ghost] ought to do

"A creature of an older world maybe it was, whose kind, lingering in forgotten mountains cold beneath the Moon, outstayed their day," - a guess about what the darwinist reader is supposed to "know": if pterodactyls survived to meet men (and hobbits) they were by then "living fossiles"

"and in hideous eyrie bred this last untimely brood, apt to evil." - an understatement, considering the rider.