Predecessors of Jan III Sobieski and Austrians

HGL's F.B. writings: Why Don't they Teach Gynaecology in These Schools? · Φιλολoγικά/Philologica: Predecessors of Jan III Sobieski and Austrians

In the III Generation, I'll only deal with the king before Sobieski, and I trace him back to his grandparents in the I Generation. In Generation I, I start with Sigismund III Vasa and his wife Anne of Austria, and her siblings, and trace their marriages and children in the II Generation. I omit any marriage that is neither in Austria nor in Poland, and I count ages only of first marriages in that statistic (but the second marriage of Sigismund III was the first marriage of Constance of Austria, so it's counted on the female side).

I Generation

Sigismund III Vasa 20 June 1566 – 30 April 1632 N.S. ⚭Anne of Austria, Queen of Poland 16 August 1573 – 10 February 1598

In April 1592, the betrothal was formally celebrated in the Imperial Court in Vienna; on 4 May, a proxy wedding was celebrated, after which Anna and her mother departed for the wedding in Krakow. Anne became the first wife of Sigismund III on 31 May 1592.

⚭ Constance of Austria 24 December 1588 – 10 July 1631

Her older sister Anna was the first wife of King Sigismund III Vasa. After her death Constance and Sigismund were married on December 11, 1605.

Maria Christina, Princess of Transylvania 10 November 1574 – 6 April 1621 ⚭ Sigismund Báthory 1573 – 27 March 1613

On 7 February 1595, it was received in Graz the formal petition of marriage between Maria Christina and Sigismund Báthory, ruling Prince of Transylvania, by the nobleman Stephen Bocskay. ... The formal marriage took place in Weissenburg on 6 August, and soon after Maria Christina moved to Transylvania.

Ferdinand II, Holy Roman Emperor 9 July 1578 – 15 February 1637 ⚭ Maria Anna of Bavaria 18 December 1574 – 8 March 1616

On 23 April 1600, Maria Anna married her first cousin[1] Ferdinand, Archduke of Inner Austria at Graz Cathedral. This marriage reaffirmed the alliance between the House of Habsburg and House of Wittelsbach.

⚭ Eleonora Gonzaga 23 September 1598 – 27 June 1655

The official wedding ceremony took place in Innsbruck on 2 February 1622[2] and celebrations were quite modest. Ferdinand II and Eleonora, who were accompanied by relatives, were married in the chapel of the imperial palace.

Margaret of Austria, Queen of Spain 25 December 1584 – 3 October 1611 ⚭ Philip III of Spain 14 April 1578 – 31 March 1621

Margaret married Philip III of Spain, her first cousin, once removed, on 18 April 1599.

Leopold V, Archduke of Austria 9 October 1586 – 13 September 1632 ⚭ Claudia de' Medici 4 June 1604 – 25 December 1648

After her husband's premature death, she was married, on 19 April 1626, to Leopold V, Archduke of Austria, and thus became Archduchess consort of Austria.

Archduchess Maria Maddalena of Austria 7 October 1589 – 1 November 1631 ⚭ Cosimo II de' Medici 12 May 1590 – 28 February 1621

In 1608, the 19-year-old Maria Magdalena was married to Cosimo de' Medici, Grand Prince of Tuscany.

Tomasz Zamoyski 1594 – 7 January 1638 ⚭ Katarzyna Ostrogska 1602–1642

He married Katarzyna Ostrogska in 1620 and had three children with her.

II Generation

Władysław IV Vasa 9 June 1595 – 20 May 1648 ⚭ Cecilia Renata of Austria 16 July 1611 – 24 March 1644

She married Władysław on 9 August in Vienna by proxy, and then in Warsaw in person on 12 September 1637, and the same day was crowned at St. John's Cathedral.

She married at 26 and had three children the one surviving oldest surviving to age 7.

⚭ Marie Louise Gonzaga 18 August 1611 – 10 May 1667

Under the pressure of the French government and other Western nations, Marie Louise Gonzaga finally married Władysław by proxy on 5 November 1645.[3] The proper wedding of Marie Louise and Władysław IV took place in Warsaw on 10 March 1646.

She married at 35 and had no children while her first husband lived.

John II Casimir Vasa 22 March 1609 – 16 December 1672 ⚭ Marie Louise Gonzaga (as already mentioned, widow after his brother).

Two years later, on 20 May 1648, Marie Louise was widowed by the sudden death of Władysław IV. John Casimir was eventually elected the next King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania by the parliament, and married her on 30 May 1649.[3] During an 18-year marriage with John Casimir, she gave birth to two children, Maria Anna Teresa and John Sigismund, who died in infancy.

Meaning, both of them died in infancy.

Anna Catherine Constance Vasa 7 August 1619 – 8 October 1651 ⚭ Philip William, Elector Palatine 24 November 1615[1] – 2 September 1690[2]

However, Anne Catherine Constance finally married Philip William, heir of the Count Palatine of Neuburg and later Elector Palatine, in Warsaw on 8 June 1642.

Ferdinand III, Holy Roman Emperor 13 July 1608 – 2 April 1657 ⚭ Maria Anna of Spain 18 August 1606 – 13 May 1646

Maria Anna had left Madrid for Vienna in December 1629, fully three years after her engagement and nearly five years after the proposal for marriage was first mooted. ... In Vienna on 20 February 1631, Maria Anna was married to King Ferdinand of Hungary-Bohemia. The festivities lasted a whole month. The marriage was described as friendly. Maria Anna was described as happy-tempered, friendly and intelligent, and she relieved the feelings of the rather melancholic Ferdinand.

⚭ Maria Leopoldine of Austria 6 April 1632 – 7 August 1649

In Linz on 2 July 1648 Maria Leopoldine married the widowed Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand III, thereby becoming Empress of the Holy Roman Empire, Queen of the Germans, Queen of Hungary and Queen of Bohemia. The wedding ceremony was splendid.

Ferdinand Charles, Archduke of Austria 17 May 1628 – 30 December 1662 ⚭ Anna de' Medici, Archduchess of Austria 21 July 1616 – 11 September 1676

Following failed plans for Anna to marry Gaston, Duke of Orléans, she was instead engaged to Ferdinand Charles, Archduke of Further Austria. In 1646, Anna left her native Florence for Innsbruck to be married. On 10 June, she was married to her double first cousin Ferdinand Charles.

Archduchess Maria Anna of Austria 13 January 1610 – 25 September 1665 ⚭ Maximilian I, Elector of Bavaria 17 April 1573 – 27 September 1651

On 15 July 1635 at the Augustinian Church, Vienna, Maria Anna married her uncle, Maximilian I, Elector of Bavaria, whose previous wife, Elisabeth of Lorraine, had died a few months earlier. The wedding was celebrated by Franz von Dietrichstein, Bishop of Olomouc.

Philip IV of Spain 8 April 1605 – 17 September 1665 ⚭ Mariana of Austria 24 December 1634 – 16 May 1696

In 1646, Mariana was betrothed to her cousin Balthasar Charles, Prince of Asturias, heir to the Spanish throne. His death soon afterwards left her without a prospective husband and her widowed uncle Philip IV without a successor. The solution was a marriage between Philip and his niece on 7 October 1649 at Navalcarnero, outside Madrid.

Sigismund Francis, Archduke of Austria 27 November 1630 – 25 June 1665 ⚭ Hedwig of Sulzbach 15 April 1650 in Sulzbach; died: 23 November 1681

She was married on 3 June 1665 per cura in the court chapel of Sulzbach to Archduke Sigismund Francis of Austria-Tyrol (1630–1665), who after his brother's unexpected death had resigned from his ecclesiastical positions in order to marry. The marriage was never consummated: while travelling to meet his bride, the Archduke fell seriously ill and died in Innsbruck twelve days after the marriage.

Michał Wiśniowiecki бл. 1575 — початок 1616 ⚭ Regina Wiśniowiecka 1589-1619

In 1603, at the age of 14, Regina married Polish-Ruthenian magnate Michał Wiśniowiecki in the city of Suceava, Moldavia.

Jeremi Wiśniowiecki 1612 – 20 August 1651 ⚭ Gryzelda Konstancja Wiśniowiecka 27 April 1623 – 17 April 1672

Gryzelda married Prince Jeremi Michał Wiśniowiecki h. Korybut on 27 February 1639 in Zamość and had one son, Michał Korybut Wiśniowiecki, King of Poland.

III Generation

Michał Korybut Wiśniowiecki 31 May 1640 – 10 November 1673 ⚭ Eleonore of Austria, Queen of Poland 21 May 1653 – 17 December 1697

Eleonore married King-Grand Duke Michael Korybut Wiśniowiecki, king of Poland and grand duke of Lithuania, on 27 February 1670 in the Jasna Góra Monastery.

I'll be giving the minima, the lower quartiles, the medians, the higher quartiles and the maxima.

Died

Men

30 33 34 34 39 40 41 42 43 45 48 52 58 60 65 74 78

01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17

Women

17 24 26 30 31 32 32 39 40 41 42 42 44 44 46 48 55 55 56 60 61

01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21

Men, 30, 39, 43, 58, 78
Women, 17, 32, 42, 48, 61

Married first time

Men

18 18 21 21 22 22 26 26 26 26 28 29 34 40 42

01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15

Women

14 14 14 15 15 16 16 16 18 18 19 20 21 22 24 25 25 26 29 35

01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20

Men, 18, 21/22, 26, 28/29, 42; two out of fifteen age 18.
Women, 14, 15/16, 18/19, 24/25, 35; eight out of twenty below 18, further two out of twenty 18, so ten out of twenty 18 and younger, down to 14.

Yes, in the cultural background before John III Sobieski came to rescue Austria, teen marriages, especially on the female side, were a thing. And neither the King of Poland, Grand-Duke of Lithuania, nor Leopold I, Holy Roman Emperor, were Muslims. Some may note that John III Sobieski was, in 1684, named Fidei Defensor, by Pope Innocent XI. Defender of the FAITH, not of the "faiths" ...

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Feast of the Most Precious Blood
1.VII.2026

Festum pretiosissimi Sanguinis Domini nostri Jesu Christi.

Are Christians Grafted In?

Well, some are.

And if some of the branches be broken, and thou, being a wild olive, art ingrafted in them, and art made partaker of the root, and of the fatness of the olive tree Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee Thou wilt say then: The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in Well: because of unbelief they were broken off. But thou standest by faith: be not highminded, but fear
[Romans 11:17-20]

It also says, some of the natural branches are broken.

Which ones?

The ones that rejected Jesus Christ.

What is a natural branch that is still on the root? A Christian of Jewish origin.

What is an ingrafted branch, first grown on a wild olive? A Christian of Non-Jewish origin.

What is a broken branch? A non-Christian Jew, which is what the word Jew most usually means in some languages.

Meanwhile, there is a real replacement, from Aaronic to Apostolic priesthood. Melchisedec was not called a Cohen because he was a secular official, he was a priest of the Most High. The wine and bread were not a diplomatic meal, but his sacrifice. And that means, there is today a non-rejected sacrifice, but one which is not of the Jewish rite, as the word is usually understood, but of the Catholic rite.

That replacement is very real.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Sts Peter and Paul
(after first vespers)
28—29.VI.2026

Romae natalis sanctorum Apostolorum Petri et Pauli, qui eodem anno eodemque die passi sunt, sub Nerone Imperatore. Horum prior, in eadem Urbe, capite ad terram verso cruci affixus, et in Vaticano juxta viam Triumphalem sepultus, totius Orbis veneratione celebratur; posterior autem, gladio animadversus, et via Ostiensi sepultus, pari honore habetur.

Vous connaissez Madame Brionne ?

À la mort de Charles de Lorraine, en 1751, la charge de grand écuyer avait été dévolue, selon le vœux du prince, à son petit-neveu, le comte de Brionne. Celui-ci avait alors quarante ans. Trois années auparavant, il avait épousé Louise-Julie-Constance de Rohan, de cette famille qui s'enorgueillissait d'être plus ancienne et plus noble que la ligne royale emme-même.

Si le comte de Brionne était bel homme, la fiancée était ravissante. Toute jeunette encore (elle n'avait pas quinze ans), elle annonçait déjà, dans les traits de son visage ou les formes graciles de son corps, une beauté que tous les courtisans se plurent à louer.

Laissons un peu Jacques Levron* pour voir si la wikipedia est plus précise. A-t-elle été 14 quand il avait 37 ou quand il avait 40 ?

Louise-Julie-Constance de Rohan-Rochefort, comtesse de Brionne, née le 5 mars 1734, reçue chanoinesse du couvent de Remiremont le 10 décembre 1742, épousa le 3 octobre 1748 à Paris Louis-Charles de Lorraine, comte de Brionne, veuf sans enfants de Louise-Charlotte de Gramont (1725-1742) et d'Augustine de Coëtquen (1722-1746).

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise-Julie-Constance_de_Brionne

Ah, elle a donc 14 et demi à l'époque de son mariage.**

Bon, avant la Révolution, elle va être grand écuyer après son mari, quand il meurt le 28 juin 1761, et elle a alors 27 ans, ou peu après.

Après la Révolution, ce que ne raconte pas Jacques Levron, elle aura le bonheur de faire l'exile inévitable à Presbourg, son fils finira le sien à Vienne./HGL

* Les inconnus de Versailles, Perrin, 1968. ** Par contre les wikipédiens contredisent sur l'âge du marié, qui, ce jour de ses troisièmes noces a 23 ans. Son premier mariage, il avait 14, comme la femme de ses troisièmes noces.

Meaning of the name Shiluva

I saw a cite with clearly AI or guess work answers.

Šiluva is a place in Lithuania. Now, English doesn't have Š on the keyboard, so girls named for it are spelled Shiluva in the US.

Now, why would a girl be named after a place? Well, what about Lourdes? Or Christian girls named Fatima ?

Exactly, Šiluva is also a place with a Marian apparition, but I think it's pronounced on the first* syllable, Sean Hiller pronounces it on the second last (also second) syllable:

The Forgotten Marian Apparition That Shook the Reformation
Sean Hiller | 11 June 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gT3CUIy3Gs

* I was wrong, so was Hiller, it's actually last syllable:

Welcome to Šiluva!
Šiluvos šventovė | 25 March 2019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ULYNyEustY

C'est pas les Musulmans qui se prosternent la face à terre ?

Pas que.

Les prêtres le jour de l'ordination le font aussi, en se préparant./HGL

Found Some on Nachmanides' Debate

Nachmanides’ strange understandings of demons, hell, souls, women’s period, rape, and other subjects
https://booksnthoughts.com/nachmanides-strange-understandings-of-demons-hell-souls-womens-period-rape-and-other-subjects/

Here are two things:

Nachmanides insisted that the midrashic tales are true accounts of past events. His commentaries to Genesis 11:28 and 32 are excellent examples of his manner of thinking ...

and:

Interestingly, Nachmanides’ belief that midrashic legends are recollections of actual historical events brought him trouble in his old age and led to his need to escape from Spain and flee for Israel. In 1263, he was involved in a public religious debate with the apostate Jew, Pablo Christiani, in Barcelona before King James I concerning the validity of Judaism. Pablo contended that some of the midrashic stories that Nachmanides had insisted were true occurrences foreshadowed the birth and mission of Jesus.[4] Nachmanides sidestepped Pablo’s trap by disclaiming his belief in the truthfulness and the authority of midrashim, and said that they are only legends.[5]

So, the convert Christian Pablo Christiani was more literalist than Nachmanides could afford to remain, interesting ...

Is it because Judaism is an apostasy and leads to more apostasy, unless repented?/HGL

Sosa und Hitler

Ich denke, Kirchbücher gabs schon.

Das „Reichserbhofgesetz“ und die NSDAP verlangten den Nachweis der „rein arischen“ Abstammung – auch für den Ehepartner – bis 1800, für Bewerber für die SS (ab Führer und/oder Führeranwärter) sogar bis 1750 zurück („großer Ariernachweis“).

Dies wäre theoretisch möglich gewesen. Wurde es aber ausgeführt?

1) Adolf Hitler (1889–1945) 2) Alois Hitler (1837–1903) 3) Klara Pölzl (1860–1907)
4) ? 5) Maria Anna „Mariana“ Schicklgruber (1796–1847) 6) Johann Baptist Pölzl (1828–1902) 7) Johanna Hiedler (1830–1906)		4) Johann Georg Hiedler (1792–1857) 5) Maria Anna „Mariana“ Schicklgruber (1796–1847) 6) Johann Baptist Pölzl (1828–1902) 7) Johanna Hiedler (1830–1906)
8) ? 9) ? 10) Johannes Schicklgruber (1764–1847) 11) Theresia Pfeisinger (1769–1821) 12) Laurenz Pölzl (1788–1841) 13) Juliana Walli (1797–1831) 14) Johann Nepomuk Hiedler (1807–1888) 15) Eva Maria Decker (1792–1873)		8) Martin Hiedler (1762–1829) 9) Anna Maria Goschl (1760–1854) 10) Johannes Schicklgruber (1764–1847) 11) Theresia Pfeisinger (1769–1821) 12) Laurenz Pölzl (1788–1841) 13) Juliana Walli (1797–1831) 14) Johann Nepomuk Hiedler (1807–1888) 15) Eva Maria Decker (1792–1873)
16) ? 17) ? 18) ? 19) ? 20) ? 21) ? 22) ? 23) ? 24) ? 25) ? 26) ? 27) ? 28) Martin Hiedler (1762–1829) 29) Anna Maria Goschl (1760–1854) 30) ? 31) ?		16) Johann Hiedler (1725–1803) 17) Maria Anna Neugeschwandter (?) 18) ? 19) ? 20) ? 21) ? 22) ? 23) ? 24) ? 25) ? 26) ? 27) ? 28 = 8 29 = 9 30) ? 31) ?

Wenn Alois der Sohn Johann Georg Hiedlers war, geht die Ahnentafel nur in 16 und 17 hinter 1750 zurück. Wenn nicht, geht keine Linie überhaupt hinter 1750 zurück.

Was wurde verschwiegen? Ahnen die viel später als am achten Lebenstag getauft wurden? Oder Ahnen dessen Ehepaar heiratete als dia Braut under 15 Jahre alt war? Übrigens, ich sehe Lebensjahre aber keine Heiratsjahre oder Daten. Und für Maria Anna Neugeschwandter nicht einmal Lebensdaten. War sie so nahe an 1750, daß sie etwa 12—13 bei der Geburt Martins war? Jedenfalls, ich hätte für beide Sachen mich nicht geschämt. Ein Mann der lieber Künzler hätte bleiben sollen, vielleicht schon.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
der hl. Anton von Padua
13.VI.2026

Patavii sancti Antonii Lusitani, Sacerdotis ex Ordine Minorum et Confessoris, atque Ecclesiae Doctoris, vita, et miraculis, ac praedicatione illustris, quem, uno post illius obitum anno nondum expleto, Gregorius Papa Nonus in Sanctorum canonem retulit.

PS, wenn Alois nicht der Sohn Johann Georg Hiedlers war geht die Ahnentafel freilich schon hinter 1750 zurück, aber nur in den 32 Ahnen: 32 bis 55 unbekannt, 56 Johann Hiedler (1725–1803) und 57 Maria Anna Neugeschwandter (?), dann 58 bis 63 wieder unbekannt. Wenn er es war, dann sind in den 32 Ahnen 56 = 16 und 57 = 17./HGL