Saturday, June 26, 2021

A Clumsy Bear Sighted at Amon Sûl


I was curious about this podcast. You see, I consider 20th C. fantasy have some very good meditations over Apocalypse - Brothers Lionheart by Astrid Lindgren, The Last Battle by C. S. Lewis, and obviously, Akallabêth by Tolkien. So, I clicked on it:

Amon Sûl podcast : 44, Akallabêth, All Roads are Now Bent
https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/amonsul/044_akallabeth_all_roads_are_now_bent


After the discussion of Dcn. Nicholas Kotar's fantasy, Fr Andrew gets to discuss pagan objects on Christian art. And the first item gets so wrong:

"the story of Sigurd and his killing of the dragon"

Is that a "pagan" image?

"like, this is a Norse pagan story"

Not exclusively Norse and not of itself pagan if you ask me.

"there is nothing Christian in that story"

In the German version of it, a few years after the killing of the dragon, approaching the killing of the dragon killer, his wife and the king's wife quarrel on the church steps of the cathedral in Worms.

Btw, according to Byzantine chroniclers, it seems the Burgundian kingdom in Worms was a Christian as in Nicene, not an Arian kingdom, unlike the later one in Dijon.

"like it is not a Christian story"

Clumsy bear spoke ... one of the reasons why I am worried we might be in the last days is, bear, four leopard heads, lion head and terrible fourth beast head seem to coalesce. And here we have clumsy bear - pretending Sigurd is a pagan story.

First of all, it is a human story. A man who was deft with monsters, but lost with ladies. The reason the king's wife is angry with him is, she had been touched by him, and he had on her view betrayed her. Norse version, they had been lovers, before he married the king's sister, German version, he had just helped the king by taking away her virginity so the witch could not resist his advances. Norse version too, he had been involved in handing her over to the king. N O T a good start for good relations, is it? Who pretends one has to be a pagan to believe this happened?

Second, there is a Norse and a German version, and by the German one, I don't allude to Wagner. In the Norse version, Nordic gods are very sidelined. Closest connection : the king's wife is a former valkyrie and under a kind of spell from Oden. In the German version, no Norse gods at all, she is just a pagan witch and none of her gods are named.

Third, in the Wagner version, the Norse gods to play a more significant role, but that is because in 19th C. Bavaria, successfully rebelling against a pagan god, being greater than a pagan god created you, is much less likely to land an author in prison as a theme, than successfully and nobly rebelling against and being greater than the actual real God. The Sigurd story on the staff church is obviously way before this version and has nothing to do with it.

Fourth, Puritans (the four leopard heads : Jews, Muslims, Puritan Protestants, Freemasons probably for fourth) are into rejecting it or secretly allowing it in closet settings (like lodges) as pagan. Their motivation is very alien to either Catholic or Orthodox views of things, so, if an Ortho takes this story as a pagan one, he is likely falling in the trap of being gullible to Puritans who have their own bad reasons to call it pagan. Like a clumsy bear.

"it's quite pagan"

I think we have already heard that ....

"pagan fatalism and heroism and all these things"

There is something fated about Sigurd, sure, but as there is about a victim, not as there is about a man himself bringing about the very opposite of what he wants to achieve, or if there is, the one fatal flaw is worldly ambition. If he hadn't wanted the gold, he wouldn't have killed the dragon for the hoard, if he hadn't wanted glory, he wouldn't have left Brunhilde (or later met her), he'd have stayed out of Worms. Is it nothing like a Christian theme that there is something fatal about love of the world? Of gold and glory? Doesn't it remind anyone of Thorin Oakenshield in a story of Tolkien, which the Amon Sûl pod cast would certainly consider as a Christian point?

And since when is heroism a purely pagan thing? I thought the Apocalypse said "et timidis [...] infernum"

"Timidis autem, et incredulis, et execratis, et homicidis, et fornicatoribus, et veneficis, et idolatris, et omnibus mendacibus, pars illorum erit in stagno ardenti igne et sulphure: quod est mors secunda."
[Apocalypse (Revelation) 21:8]

But perhaps his Church Slavonic version didn't have "timidis" here? Or he just missed it?

"you would have to just rewrite radically"

The story is not fiction. It may be incorrect history, but it is history. You don't re-write history just to make a better morality ... or do clumsy bears perhaps do that?

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Sts John and Paul, brothers and martyrs

Romae, in monte Caelio, sanctorum Martyrum Joannis et Pauli fratrum, quorum primus erat praepositus domus, secundus primicerius Constantiae Virginis, filiae Constantini Imperatoris, et ambo postea, sub Juliano Apostata, martyrii palmam, caedente gladio, perceperunt.

Thursday, June 17, 2021

Reference Needed


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirits_in_Bondage

Lewis was twenty years old and had just returned from military service in the First World War. His tutor, William T. Kirkpatrick, encouraged him in publishing the book, although it was unusual at Lewis's age, as writers were expected to wait longer before sharing their work with the world.


Were they?/HGL

Bonnie Prince Charlie


After Culloden, Charles Edward fled over Sea of the Hebrides to Skye, as recorded in a song written 125 years later:

The Skye Boat Song - Ella Roberts
4th of August | Ella Roberts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBSqQPP4aVM


And, 22 years after that, Voltaire wrote that "Reason" had made progress, the last 15 to 20 years. I have this information from Vincent Reynouard, who spoke about the role the French themselves had in bringing about the apostasy that became a revolution. In one of the recent numbers of Rivarol, a French right wing weekly. Now, Reason in the mouth of an Enlightenment philosopher means either enlightenment philosophy or attitudes very compatible with it. Like the Gospel in the mouth of a Reformer meant Protestantism. That Catholics, and of these those not at all into Enlightenment or Protestantism, might use their reason (what God gave their heads, not what Diderot gave their encyclopedia) and read their 4 gospels (in the Bible, not the Protestant tracts) is not what these propagandistic uses of the words really refer to. Instead, "reason" is used for Enlightenment here, like "the Gospel" was used for Protestantism in the previous item, 16th C.

I am going to argue, the progress of Enlightenment, or more properly, of Endarkenment, was because the failure of Culloden demoralised the Catholic loyalties. Could it have been the Partitions of Poland? No, not the 15 to 20 years prior to 1767. The first partition was in 1772. It was more a fruit of than a cause of Endarkenment in France. Could it have been the Seven Years' War? Partly, but it started when this period mentioned by Voltaire had already begun.

Now, I would argue, for the Catholic culture, 1914 to 1918 was a worse shock than (to some) 1945. In 1945, there were clearly Catholics on the winning side too. While this was in a way so also after The Great War, they were represented by if not always freemasons, at least always secularists - except when Protestants. And I would argue, the shock of Culloden was comparable to the shock of The Great War or of the Spanish-American War.

So, if Spain was not yet out of colonies, Protestant to Masonic US was not yet ruling Cuba and Philippines (and didn't exist yet), if France and Austria had not yet both lost their Catholic monarchs and on top of that Austria in a war involving France, what was it about Culloden that could traumatise Catholics?

First, England was the Dowry of the Blessed Virgin (and remains so, as Personal Prelature Our Lady of Walsingham likes to point out). In this land, for 186 years, since 1559, Catholics had been subject to what amounted to a Protestant Inquisition, but with political motives, so as not to be formally equivalent to the older laws against heresy, which were considered retroactively as Anti-Christian persecutions. The Act of Supremacy set up a real such. The Stuarts had been trying to give Catholics tolerance, to get them out of persecutions' way. After the failure in 1745, it took another 85 years, to 1830, before Catholics were, like Slaves, emancipated.

Second, the Stuart struggle for tolerance for Catholics was the very reason why they had been bereft of their thrones, much like Sigismund Wasa of the Swedish one (but he retained the Polish one).

Third, Bonnie Prince Charles was the heir of so much other Catholic valour as well. First and foremost, I'd put John III Sobieski. Louis XVI was ponly heir to Stanislas Leszczynski, but Bonnie Prince Charlie to the Great Sobieski himself - the liberator of Vienna in 1683; and also to other men having fought the Turks or, as Jan Daniłowicz, the Tatars. Stanisław Żółkiewski had fought against Lutheran Swedes in Livonia and supported the election of a Roman Catholic Czar, Władysław IV Vasa.

Fourth, he was not chased very ruthlessly himself, but those loyal to him were. He gave the impression, a bit like Jefferson Davis trying to flee in skirts, while many Southrons were deprived of much more than the legal ownership of their slaves, disproportionately, as per Sherman's barbarism, the impression I said of being a hired shepherd fleeing from the wolf while the sheep die. But Sherman was not as bloody as the Hannoveran repression in the Highlands, and Jefferson Davis was part time worse off than Bonnie Prince Charlie. The Catholic cause in 1745 took as deep a humiliation as the Dixie cause in 1865. If St. Peter had remained that way on the Via Appia, there might not have been any Catholicism.

A fifth scandal was going to take place, but this was after the time period indicated by Voltaire, after he wrote his letter.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. Antidius of Besançon
17.VI.2021

PS, Appendix B is closely based on wikipedian articles. As all persons here are presented in couples, I add an "and" and only after that add "he married when so many years old, and died at that age; she married at this age and died at so many years old" - the facts on which I have based appendix A. All the articles are reachable from that of Bonnie Prince Charles, sometimes I have had to switch to another language.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Edward_Stuart

Appendix A - the available statistics

Let us note that the material is partly lacking. In ideal theory, we would have the statistics of 64 men (including Bonnie Prince Charles himself) and 63 women (excluding his wife whom I may save for a separate post) but in some cases ancestors were married more than once. I have included previous but not subsequent marriages, as the previous are relevant for age at first marriage. Then some are lacking so, instead of c. 70 per sex, we have 53 - 55. This basically means that each place value can have an error margin up to or close to the two neighbouring ones. However, I'll try to get a good genealogist have a look at the lacking persons.

He married, first time over, at:

14 14 17 18 18 19 19 19 19 19 20 20 20 20 20 20 21 21 21 21 22 22
14 14 17 18 18 19 19 19 19 19 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 21 21 21 22 22
01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22

22 23 23 23 23 24 24 24 24 24 24 25 25 25 27 27 27 27 28 30 30 31
22 23 23 23 23 24 24 24 24 24 24 24 24 25 25 27 27 27 28 30 30 31
23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44

31 31 35 36 37 38 40 40 52
31 31 35 36 37 38 39 40 52
45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53

Minimum, number 1/53, 14 years
Lower quartile, 14/53, 20 years
Median, 27/53, 23 years
Higher quartile, 40/53, 27 years
Max, 53/53, 52 years

He died at:

16 21 27 27 27 30 30 35 35 38 42 44 46 46 47 47 48 48 48 48 51 52
16 21 26 27 27 30 30 32 35 37 42 44 46 46 47 47 48 48 48 48 51 52
01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22

52 52 53 54 54 55 56 56 56 56 56 58 58 61 65 66 66 66 67 67 67 68
52 52 53 54 54 55 55 56 56 56 56 58 58 61 65 66 66 66 67 67 67 68
23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44

70 71 72 73 74 74 75 77 77 77 93
70 71 72 73 74 74 75 77 77 77 93
45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55

Minimum, 1/55, 16 years
Lower Quartile 14-15/55, 46 or 47 years
Median, 28/55, 55 years
Higher Quartile 41-42/55, 67 years
Maximum, 55/55, 93 years

She married, first time over, at:

12 12 13 14 14 14 14 15 15 15 15 15 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 17 17
12 12 13 14 14 14 14 15 15 15 15 15 15 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 17 17
01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22

17 17 17 17 17 17 17 18 18 18 18 19 19 19 20 20 20 20 20 21 22 23
17 17 17 17 17 17 17 18 18 18 18 19 19 19 19 20 20 20 20 20 22 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44

23 23 23 25 26 26 26 27 29 30
23 23 23 25 25 26 26 27 29 30
45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54

Minimum, 1/54, 12 years
Lower quartile, 14/54, 16 years
Median 27-28/54, 17 years
Higher quartile, 41/54, 20 years
Maximum, 54/54, 30 years

She died at

16 21 21 30 31 31 32 33 34 34 35 35 35 38 40 41 43 43 44 44 44 44
16 20 21 30 31 31 32 33 34 34 35 35 35 38 40 41 43 43 44 44 44 44
01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22

44 46 46 47 48 48 49 50 54 54 57 57 58 58 59 59 60 60 61 61 61 62
44 46 46 47 48 48 49 50 54 54 57 57 58 58 59 59 60 60 61 61 61 62
23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44

62 67 69 69 70 72 74 74 74 77 80
62 67 69 69 70 72 74 74 74 77 80
45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55

Minimum, 1/55, 16 years
Lower Quartile 14-15/55, around 39 years
Median, 28/55, 48 years
Higher Quartile 41-42/55, 61 years
Maximum, 55/55, 80 years


Appendix B - biographic details, when available.

I gave name and title, sometimes only birth title prior to marriage, life dates, age at marriage and at death. When there were previous marriages, I first give the age at the relevent one, leading up to Bonnie Prince Charles.

Generation 1 - the person himself:

1 Charles Edward Louis John Casimir Sylvester Severino Maria Stuart (20 December 1720 – 30 January 1788) : he married at 52, died at 67.

Generation 2 - his parents:

2 James Francis Edward Stuart (10 June 1688 – 1 January 1766) and 3 Maria Clementina Sobieska (Polish: Maria Klementyna Sobieska;[1] 18 July 1702 – 18 January 1735) : he married at 31, died at 77;she married at 17, died at 33.

Generation 3 - his grandparents:

4 James II and VII (14 October 1633O.S. – 16 September 1701[1]) and 5 Mary of Modena (Italian: Maria Beatrice Eleonora Anna Margherita Isabella d'Este, or Maria di Modena;[1] 5 October [O.S. 25 September] 1658 – 7 May [O.S. 26 April] 1718) :he married (second marriage) at 40, died at 67;she married at 15, died at 59. He had first been married to Anne Hyde (12 March 1637 – 31 March 1671) when 27, she was 23.
6 James Louis Sobieski (full name in Polish: Jakub Ludwik Henryk Sobieski; 2 November 1667 – 19 December 1737) and 7 Hedwig Elisabeth of Neuburg (Hedwig Elisabeth Amelia; 18 July 1673 – 10 August 1722) : he married at 23, died at 70;she married at 17, died at 49.

Generation 4 - his great-grandparents:

8 Charles I (19 November 1600 – 30 January 1649)[a] and 9 Henrietta Maria (French: Henriette Marie; 25 November[1] 1609 – 10 September 1669) : he married at 25, died at 48; she married at 16, died at 59.

10 Alfonso IV d'Este (2 February 1634 – 16 July 1662) and 11 Laura Martinozzi (27 May 1639 – 19 July 1687) : he married at 21, died at 27; she married at 16, died at 48.

12 John III Sobieski (Polish: Jan III Sobieski; Lithuanian: Jonas III Sobieskis; Latin: Ioannes III Sobiscius; 17 August 1629 – 17 June 1696) and 13 Marie Casimire Louise de La Grange d'Arquien (Polish: Maria Kazimiera d’Arquien), known also by the diminutive form "Marysieńka" (28 June 1641, Nevers – 30 January 1716, Blois[1]) : he married at 36, died at 66; she married (second marriage) at 24, died at 74. She had been first married at 16, to Jan Zamoyski (1627–1665), who was 31 at the time, died at 37/38

14 Philip William of Neuburg, Elector Palatine (German: Philipp Wilhelm) (24 November 1615 – 2 September 1690) and 15 Landgravine Elisabeth Amalie of Hesse-Darmstadt (Elisabeth Amalie Magdalene; 20 March 1635 – 4 August 1709) : he married (second marriage) at 38, died at 74; she married at 18, died at 74. He had first been married at 27 to Anna Catherine Constance Vasa (Polish: Anna Katarzyna Konstancja Waza; 7 August 1619 in Warsaw – 8 October 1651 in Cologne), who was 23 at the time, died at 32.

Generation 5 - the parents of his great-grandparents:

16 James VI and I (James Charles Stuart; 19 June 1566 – 27 March 1625) and 17 Anne of Denmark (Danish: Anna; 12 December 1574 – 2 March 1619) : he married at 23, died at 58; she married at 14, died at 44.

18 Henry IV (French: Henri IV; 13 December 1553 – 14 May 1610) and 19 Marie de' Medici (French: Marie de Médicis, Italian: Maria de' Medici; 26 April 1575 – 3 July 1642) : he married (second marriage) at 47, died at 56; she married at 25, died at 67. He had first been married at 19 to Margaret of Valois (French: Marguerite, 14 May 1553 – 27 March 1615) who was also 19, died at 61.

20 Francesco I d'Este (6 September 1610 – 14 October 1658) and 21 Maria Caterina Farnese (18 February 1615 – 25 July 1646) : he married at 21, died at 48; she married at 16, died at 31.

22 Girolamo Martinozzi [no article, but born 1610] and 23 Laura Margherita Mazzarini (1608 - 9 June 1685) : he married at 24; she married at 26, died at 77.

24 Jakub Sobieski (May 5, 1590 – June 23, 1646) and 25 Teofila Zofia Sobieska, née Daniłowicz (Polish: Daniłowiczówna) (1607 – 27 November 1661) : he married at 37, died at 56; she married at 20, died at 54.

26 Henri Albert de La Grange d'Arquien, Marquis of Arquien (8 September 1613 – 24 May 1707) and 27 Françoise de La Châtre (1613-1648) : he married at 20/21?, died at 93; she married at 20/21?, died at 35.

28 Wolfgang Wilhelm von Pfalz-Neuburg (4 November 1578 in Neuburg an der Donau – 14 September 1653 in Düsseldorf) and 29 Magdalene of Bavaria (4 July 1587 – 25 September 1628) : he married at 35, died at 74; she married at 26, died at 41.

30 George II of Hesse-Darmstadt, German: Georg II von Hessen-Darmstadt (17 March 1605, in Darmstadt – 11 June 1661) and 31 Sophia Eleonore of Saxony (23 November 1609 – 2 June 1671) : he married at 22, died at 56; she married at 18, died at 61.

Generation 6 - the grandparents of his great-grandparents:

32 Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley (7 December 1545 – 10 February 1567) and 33 Mary, Queen of Scots (8 December 1542 – 8 February 1587) : he married at 20, died at 21; she married (second marriage) at 23, died at 44. She had first been married at 16 to Francis II (French: François II; 19 January 1544 – 5 December 1560) who was 14 at the time, died at 16

34 Frederick II (1 July 1534 – 4 April 1588) and 35 Sophie of Mecklenburg-Güstrow (4 September 1557 – 14 October 1631) : he married at 38, died at 53; she married at 14, died at 74.

36 Antoine of Navarre (in English, Anthony; 22 April 1518 – 17 November 1562) and 37 Jeanne d'Albret (Basque: Joana Albretekoa; Occitan: Joana de Labrit; 16 November 1528 – 9 June 1572) : he married at 30, died at 44; she married (second marriage) at 19, died at 43. (She had first been married at 12, see William of Jülich-Cleves-Berge, 114)

38 Francesco I (25 March 1541 – 19 October 1587) was the second Grand Duke of Tuscany and 39 Joanna of Austria (German Johanna von Österreich, Italian Giovanna d'Austria) (24 January 1547 – 11 April 1578) : he married at 24, died at 46; she married at 18, died at 31.

40 Alfonso III d'Este (22 October 1591 – 26 May 1644) was Duke of Modena and Reggio from 1628 to 1629 and married to 41 Isabella of Savoy (11 March 1591 – 28 August 1626) : he married at 17, died at 52; she married at 17, died at 35.

42 Ranuccio I Farnese (28 March 1569 – 5 March 1622) reigned as Duke of Parma, Piacenza and Castro from 1592. His wife was 43 Margherita Aldobrandini (29 March 1588 — 9 August 1646) : he married at 31, died at 52; she married at 12, died at 58.

44 unknown and 45 unknown.

46 Pietro Mazzarino, o Mazzarini (Mazzarino, 1576 – Roma, 4 febbraio 1654) and 47 Ortensia Bufalini (1575 – 1644) : he married at 24/25?, died at 77; she married at 25/26?, died at 69.

48 Marek Sobieski (1549/1550 – 1605) and 49 Jadwiga Snopkowska (c. 1558–1606) : he married at latest at 39/40, died at 55/56; she married at latest c. 30, died at 48.

50 Jan Daniłowicz (1570–1628) was a Polish nobleman, voivode of the Ruthenian Voivodeship and 51 Zofia Żółkiewska (c. 1590–1634) : he married (second marriage) at 35, died at 58; she married at 15, died at 44. He had been first married at ? to Katarzyna Krasicka / Barbara Krasicka??

52 Antoine de La Grange d'Arquien (vers 1560 - 9 mai 1626), ou Antoine de La Grange d'Arquian, gouverneur du Berry, marquis, seigneur d'Arquien and 53 ? (he had three wives, successively) : he married at ?, died at 66; she married at ?

54 ? 55 ?

56 Philipp Ludwig of Neuburg (2 October 1547 – 22 August 1614) was the Duke of Palatinate-Neuburg from 1569 until 1614. His wife was 57 Anna of Cleves (1552–1632) : he married at 27, died at 66; she married at 22, died at 80.

58 William V (29 September 1548 – 7 February 1626), called the Pious, (German: Wilhelm V., der Fromme, Herzog von Bayern) was Duke of Bavaria from 1579 to 1597. His was was 59 Renata of Lorraine (20 April 1544 – 22 May 1602) : he married at 19, died at 77; she married at 23, died at 58.

60 Louis V of Hesse-Darmstadt (German: Ludwig; 24 September 1577 – 27 July 1626) was the Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt from 1596 to 1626. His wife was 61 Magdalene of Brandenburg, also Magdalene and Magdalen, (7 January 1582 – 4 May 1616) : he married at 20, died at 48; she married at 16, died at 34.

62 John George I (German: Johann Georg I.) (5 March 1585 – 8 October 1656) was Elector of Saxony from 1611 to 1656. His wife was 63 Magdalene Sibylle of Prussia (31 December 1586 – 12 February 1659) : he married (second marriage) at 22, died at 71; she married at 20, died at 72. He had first been married at 19 to Sibylle Elisabeth of Württemberg (10 April 1584 - 20 January 1606) who was 20 at the time, died at 21.

Generation 7 - the great-grandparents of his great-grandparents:

64 Matthew Stewart, 4th Earl of Lennox[1] (21 September 1516 – 4 September 1571) and 65 Margaret Douglas, Countess of Lennox (7 October 1515 – 7 March 1578) : he married at 28, died at 54; she married at 29, died at 62.
66 James V (10 April 1512 – 14 December 1542) and 67 Mary of Guise (French: Marie de Guise; 22 November 1515 – 11 June 1560) : he married (second marriage) at 26, died at 30; she married (second marriage) at 23, died at 44. He had first been married at 14 to Madeleine of France or Madeleine of Valois (10 August 1520 – 7 July 1537) who was 15 at the time, died at 16. She had first been married at 19 to Louis II d'Orléans, duc de Longueville and comte de Dunois (1510 – 9 June 1537) who was 24 at the time, died at 26/27.

68 Christian III (12 August 1503 – 1 January 1559) and 69 Dorothea of Saxe-Lauenburg (9 July 1511 – 7 October 1571) : he married at 22, died at 55; she married at 14, died at 60.
70 Ulrich III, Duke of Mecklenburg or Ulrich III of Mecklenburg-Güstrow (5 March 1527 – 14 March 1603) 71 Elisabeth of Denmark (14 October 1524 – 15 October 1586) : he married at (at latest) 27, died at 76; she married (second marriage) at (at latest) 30, died at 62. She had first been married at 18 to Magnus III of Mecklenburg (July 4, 1509 in Stargard – January 28, 1550 in Bützow) who was 34 at the time, died at 40.

72 Charles de Bourbon (2 June 1489 – 25 March 1537) and 73 Françoise d'Alençon (1490 – 14 September 1550) : he married at 24, died at 47; she married (second marriage) at 23, died at 60. She had first been married at 15 to François II de Longueville (né 1478/1481 et décédé le 15 février 1513) who was 24/27 at the time, died at 32/35.
74 Henry II of Navarre (18 April 1503 – 25 May 1555) and 75 Marguerite de Navarre (French: Marguerite d'Angoulême, Marguerite d'Alençon; 11 April 1492 – 21 December 1549) : he married at 23, died at 52; she married (second marriage) at 34, died at 57. She had first been married at 17 to Charles IV of Alençon (2 September 1489 in Alençon – 11 April 1525 in Lyon) who was 20 at the time, died at 35.

76 Cosimo I de' Medici (12 June 1519 – 21 April 1574) was the second Duke of Florence from 1537 until 1569, when he became the first Grand Duke of Tuscany, a title he held until his death. He married 77 Eleanor of Toledo (Italian: Eleonora di Toledo, 11 January 1522 – 17 December 1562), born Doña Leonor Álvarez de Toledo y Osorio : he married at 20, died at 54; she married at 17, died at 40.
78 Ferdinand I (Spanish: Fernando I) (10 March 1503 – 25 July 1564) was Holy Roman Emperor from 1556, King of Bohemia, Hungary, and Croatia from 1526, and Archduke of Austria from 1521 until his death in 1564. His wife was 79 Anna of Bohemia and Hungary (23 July 1503 – 27 January 1547), sometimes known as Anna Jagellonica, was Queen of Germany, Bohemia, and Hungary and Archduchess of Austria as the wife of King Ferdinand I (later Holy Roman Emperor). He married at 18, died at 61; she married at 17, died at 43.

80 Cesare d'Este (8 October 1562 – 11 December 1628) was Duke of Modena and Reggio from 1597 until his death. His wife was 81 Virginia de' Medici (29 May 1568 – 15 January 1615) : he married at 23, died at 67; she married at 17, died at 46.
82 Charles Emmanuel I (Italian: Carlo Emanuele di Savoia; 12 January 1562 – 26 July 1630), known as the Great, was the Duke of Savoy from 1580 to 1630. His wife was 83 Catalina Micaela of Spain (Spanish: Catalina Micaela de Austria; 10 October 1567 – 6 November 1597) : he married at 22, died at 68; she married at 16, died at 30.

84 Alexander Farnese (Italian: Alessandro Farnese, Spanish: Alejandro Farnesio; 27 August 1545 – 3 December 1592) was an Italian noble and condottiero and later a general of the Spanish army, who was Duke of Parma, Piacenza and Castro from 1586 to 1592, as well as Governor of the Spanish Netherlands from 1578 to 1592. His wife, 85 Infanta Maria of Guimarães (12 August 1538 – 9 July 1577) was a Portuguese infanta, daughter of Infante Duarte, Duke of Guimarães (son of King Manuel I of Portugal), and Isabel of Braganza. He married at 20, died at 47; she married at 27, died at 38.
86 Giovanni Francesco Aldobrandini, I principe di Meldola e Sarsina (Firenze, 11 marzo 1545 – Varasdino, 18 settembre 1601), è stato un generale e diplomatico italiano. Nipote di Clemente VIII, condusse tre spedizioni contro gli Ottomani con l'esercito pontificio nel corso della Lunga Guerra. Si sposò con 87 Olimpia Aldobrandini, principessa di Meldola (28 aprile 1567 – 1637) : he married at 40, died at 56; she married at 18, died at 70.

88 - 91 unknown

92 Girolamo Mazzarino and 93 Margherita de Franchis-Passavera (unknown dates).

94 unknown 95 unknown

96 Jan Sobieski (ok. 1518–1564) and 97 Katarzyna Gdeszyńska (no article). He married at 30, died at 46
98 Jakub Snopkowski 99 Jadwiga Herburt (no article)

100 Stanisław Daniłowicz and 101 Katarzyna Tarło (c.1535 – c.1582) : she died at 47.
102 Stanisław Żółkiewski (1547 – 7 October 1620) was a Polish nobleman of the Lubicz coat of arms, magnate, military commander and a chancellor of the Polish crown of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth,[1] who took part in many campaigns of the Commonwealth and on its southern and eastern borders (article scant on marriage) and 103 Regina Herburt (no article) : he died at 73.

104 Charles de La Grange, seigneur de Montigny and 105 Louise de Rochechouart. (no articles with years)
106 & 107 several options / unknown?

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112 Count Palatine Wolfgang of Zweibrücken (German: Pfalzgraf Wolfgang von Zweibrücken; 26 September 1526 – 11 June 1569) was member of the Wittelsbach family of the Counts Palatine and Duke of Zweibrücken from 1532. His wife, 113 Anna of Hesse (26 October 1529, Kassel – 10 July 1591, Meisenheim) was a princess of Hesse by birth and marriage Countess Palatine of Zweibrücken. He married at 19, died at 42 ; she married at 15/16, died at 61.
114 William of Jülich-Cleves-Berge (William I of Cleves, William V of Jülich-Berg) (German: Wilhelm der Reiche; 28 July 1516 – 5 January 1592) was a Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (1539–1592). His wife, 115 Archduchess Maria of Austria (15 May 1531 – 11 December 1581) was the daughter of Emperor Ferdinand I from the House of Habsburg and Anna Jagiello. He married (second marriage) at 30, died at 75; she married at 15, died at 50. He had first been married at 25 to Jeanne d'Albret who was 12 at the time (for her age, see above).

116 Albert V (German: Albrecht V.) (29 February 1528 – 24 October 1579) was Duke of Bavaria from 1550 until his death. His wife, 117 Anna of Austria (7 July 1528 – 16 October 1590), a member of the Imperial House of Habsburg, was Duchess of Bavaria from 1550 until 1579, by her marriage [him]. He married at 18, died at 51; she married at 17, died at 62.
118 Francis I (French: François Ier de Lorraine) (23 August 1517 – 12 June 1545) was Duke of Lorraine from 1544–1545. His wife, 119 Christina of Denmark (Danish: Christine af Danmark; November 1521 – 10 December 1590) was a Danish princess, the younger surviving daughter of King Christian II of Denmark and Norway and Isabella of Austria. He married at 24, died at 27; she married at 19, died at 69.

120 George I of Hesse-Darmstadt (10 September 1547 – 7 February 1596) was the Landgrave of Hesse-Darmstadt from 1567 to 1596. His wife, 121 Magdalena of Lippe (25 February 1552, Detmold – 26 February 1587, Darmstadt) was a German noblewoman.He married at 24, died at 48; she married at 20, died at 35.
122 John George of Brandenburg (German: Johann Georg) (11 September 1525 – 8 January 1598) was a Prince-elector of the Margraviate of Brandenburg (1571–1598). His wife was 123 Elisabeth of Anhalt-Zerbst (15 September 1563 – 8 November 1607) : he married (third marriage) at 52, died at 72; she married at 14, died at 44.He had previously been married, first, at 19, to Sophie of Legnica (1525 – 6 February 1546) who was 19/20 at the time, died at 20/21; then, second, at 22, to Sabina of Brandenburg-Ansbach (12 May 1529 – 2 November 1575), who was 17 at the time, died at 46

124 Christian I of Saxony (29 October 1560 in Dresden – 25 September 1591 in Dresden) was Elector of Saxony from 1586 to 1591. He belonged to the Albertine line of the House of Wettin. His wife, 125 Sophie of Brandenburg (6 June 1568 – 7 December 1622) was Electress of Saxony by marriage to [him]. She was regent from 1591 to 1601 during the minority of their son Christian II. He married at 21, died at 30; she married at 13, died at 54.
126 Albert Frederick (German: Albrecht Friedrich; Polish: Albrecht Fryderyk; 7 May 1553 – 28 August 1618) was the Duke of Prussia, from 1568 until his death. His wife was 127 Duchess Marie Eleonore of Cleves (16 June 1550 – 1 June 1608) : he married at 20, died at 65; she married at 22/23, died at 57.