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Monday, August 10, 2026

Good Books and Books


C. S. Lewis commented on a library which divided its books into two categories.

Good Books.
Books.

Famous Five would certainly be books, and so would P. G. Woodehouse. But not Tristram Shandy.

Good Books was more elusive. What quality is it that some books have at once (Ulysses or Finegan's Wake by James Joyce) and others acquire by age?

Difficulty.

This is the reverse of an observation on Homer, by Honor Cargill-Martin:

Who really wrote the Odyssey and the Iliad? Ancient historian answers your questions about Homer
Honor Cargill-Martin | 10 Aug. 2026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk4TTFJJDfo


Once upon a time, Homer would have been "Books" ... or in her words:

So people are literally being raised on this stuff and that means that the texts are very familiar to them. They're not intimidated by them.


CSL intended to get people to stop frowning on popular literature (provided it isn't unchaste or over the top cruel), and Honor Cargill-Martin's observation comes in pretty handy in this context.
/HGL




PS, from the same essay, CSL mentioned that the Classics tend to be either very popular popular literature, or very "urgent" literature of a patriotic or religious type (so "urgent" it becomes popular). The Ghettysburgh adress, the Apologia pro Vita Sua and Mark Twain are examples of the three types. To me at least. As to future Classics, CSL mentioned as possibilities P. G. Woodehouse and The Thirty-Nine Steps by John Buchan./HGL

PPS, given The Thirty-Nine Steps have been filmed in 2008 by BBC, earlier in 1935 by Hitchcock and then again there was a parody on the Hitchcock film written and rewritten in 1996—2005, I think CSL was spot on .../HGL

Friday, December 27, 2024

Je trouvai une partie de la traduction française de Narnia


Je pourrais spéculer pourquoi, et il semble assez apparent pourquoi la plupart des pages manquaient. Il s'agit de "Le Lion et la Sorcière blanche, traduit par Mme E.-R. Blanchet" et donc vous pouvez déjà deviner.

a) Il n'y a pas de Noël dedans.
b) Il n'y a pas non plus le sacrifice et la résurrection d'Aslan.

On sait qu'il y a deux religions non chrétiennes qui trouvent de l'horreur dans l'Incarnation et la Mort et Résurrection de Dieu.

Mais je dois dire que la traduction laisse parfois à souhaiter.

Pour ceux qui ont lu cette traduction, et connaissent l'original, quand Edmund décide de "let down" Lucy, la bonne traduction n'est pas qu'Edmond "abandonna" Lucie, mais qu'il la "déçut" ou "laissa tomber" ou "lui fit faux bond" ... il n'était pas juste un soutien qui se rétirait, il était un témoin qui la lâcha par un mensonge.

Ou le professeur "était veuf" quand en l'original il simplement "had no wife" ... pour ceux qui ont lu Le Neveu du Magicien c'est un peu mystérieux pourquoi Digory Kirke n'épousa jamais Polly Plumber. C'est sûr à partir de La Dernière Bataille Polly, comme lui-même, était toujours vivante jusqu'à l'accident de train. Pourtant, "he had no wife" ...

Comme vous avez peut-être pu deviner, les finesses philosophiques ne sont pas non plus au rendez-vous dans la traduction.

— Enfin, monsieur, quand une chose existe... elle existe !
— Vous croyez ?


Le Professeur semble ici mettre en doute la stabilité de la substance, position philosophique horripilante.

En anglais il y a une autre chose:

"Well, Sir, if things are real, they're there all the time."
"Are they?" said the Professor


Il y a deux traductions possibles, qui entre les deux mettent en valeur la confusion conceptuelle de Pierre :

— Enfin, monsieur, si des choses sont réelles, elles sont toujours au-rendez-vous
ou
— Enfin, monsieur, si des choses sont réelles, elles existent toujours


Sur quoi le professeur répond "vous croyez ?"

La première me paraît la plus apte.

Par les romans ou d'autres œuvres du fantastique traitant de ce que l'anglais appelle "portals" / "portails" ... des conduites surnaturelles ou quasiment entre deux mondes ou entre deux plans de la réalité, surtout hormis deux périodes historiques ... la Narniade est quasi la grande référence pour le côté philosophique. Narnia ne cesse pas d'exister juste parce que le portail entre notre monde et Narnia ne reste pas ouvert tout le temps. Tel est le concept.

Pour les niponisants, le genre de "portal fantasy" est assez proche de ce qu'en Japon on appelle Isekai ten'i. Les isekai moderne, donc à part le folklore japonais, commencent avec un Haruka Takachiho qui est né l'année après la parution de ce premier roman de la Narniade.

Émile-R. Blanchet, selon le site Amazon, s'est démarquée en tant que traductrice de Somerset Maugham, un auteur très différent de C. S. Lewis, et il y a aussi des articles ou histoires par elle, si c'est bien la même, dans L'Écho des Alpes. Espérons que les traductions par Anne-Marie Dalmais soient meilleurs.

Pour noter les différences entre les auteurs, quand une loi ou loi envisagé fit de chaque personne né sur le sol français un citoyen, donc apte à servir dans l'armée française, Robert Ormond Maugham arrangea pour que sa femme accouche dans une maternité de l'Ambassade française à Paris. Dans la Grande Guerre, William Somerset Maugham était trop vieux pour s'enroler, mais fit brancardier pour la Croix Rouge. C. S. Lewis, aussi fils d'avocat, s'enrôla dans l'OTC (Officers' Training Corps) en 1917, avant d'être enrôlé comme quasiment Cadet de la défense, et s'en aller en Somerset Light Infantry comme sous-lieutenant. Ou dans le fait que le seul roman que j'ai lu de Somerset Maugham impliquait un mélange entre sorcier et hypnotiste très abusif, sa victime féminine, et l'amoureux (ex-fiancé) de celle-ci. Un intrigue que C. S. Lewis orait écarté comme donnant occasions à l'impureté, comme trop sombre aussi. Y compris pour ses romans pour adultes.

Ou encore, parmi les 100 meilleurs romans du 20e siècle, un jury élitiste place Somerset Maugham à la place 66. Les 100 meilleurs romans de tous les temps par The Guardian place, non C. S. Lewis, mais bien son ami Tolkien, à la place 64. Les deux listes omettent celui de l'autre liste et les deux listes omettent C. S. Lewis, ce que certains anglophones prennent mal. Genre comme les suécophones ont mal aimé les décisions des Prix Nobel, jamais à notre Astrid Lindgren.

Reste que la génération qui aurait dû bâtir en France la réputation de C. S. Lewis n'ait pas eu un excellent accès. La Bibliothèque du Chat perché fait paraître quatre des sept entre 1980 et 1984. Seuls deux en avaient été traduits pour l'Idéal-Bibliothèque. En 1952 et 1953. La série complète n'est pas parue en français qu'en 2001. S'il y a des incultes qui prétendent que le Monde de Narnia soit une niaiserie pour enfants, ils devraient être sur-représentés parmi les francophones non anglisants. À titre de comparaison, en suédois les parutions sont entre 1958 (débutant avec Le neveu du magicien) et 1976. Et en allemand entre 1957 et 1981. La génération de ma mère en Suède y a eu accès, la génération d'Alain Sanders en France, non.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. Jean Apôtre
27.XII.2024

Apud Ephesum natalis sancti Joannis, Apostoli et Evangelistae, qui, post Evangelii scriptionem, post exsilii relegationem et Apocalypsim divinam, usque ad Trajani Principis tempora perseverans, totius Asiae fundavit rexitque Ecclesias, ac tandem, confectus senio, sexagesimo octavo post passionem Domini anno mortuus est, et juxta eamdem urbem sepultus.

Saturday, July 8, 2023

Alain Pascal sur la Renaissance


Rivarol 3573, p. 9, l'entrevue avec Alain Pascal

A. P. : La Renaissance est une imposture, d’abord parce qu’il n’y a pas de Moyen Âge, ensuite parce que ce mouvement est gnostique et kabbalistique, donc antichrétien et anti-occidental, mais aussi une régression culturelle.


Regression culturelle - ça passe.

Sts François d'Assise et Thomas d'Aquin ont quemandé de l'argent (ou pour St. François possiblement plutôt des vivres et des textiles, parfois des outils, comme plus tard les Capucins). Et ceci dans la rue. Avec la Renaissance, en imitation des Musulmans, et au contraire de la révérence due à Mardochée, et à son refus de révérencier Haman, on commence à rendre la mendicité plus honteuse. C'est un regrès culturel important. D'ailleurs, la justice dans l'acte de mendicité est défini par St. Thomas d'Aquin de manières qui ne le rendent pas l'apanage unique des estropiés et des frères mendiants, mais plutôt, les frères mendiants apportent deux bienfaits à ceux qui leur donne aumône - le bien-fait spirituel, qui est la prière pour les bien-faiteurs, et un bien-fait qui, lui aussi, peut être spirituel à la fin, car il exhorte à la vertu chrétienne, mais qui est, à la base, directement, indépendant des grâces inspirées par lui, un bien-fait culturel.

Si je n'arrive pas à pardonner à mes ennemis et donc non plus à prier le Notre Père, exit un quelconque bien-fait spirituel. Mais on peut encore être goliard. J'ai chanté dans la rue pour des sous, en 2004 et en 2005 et début 2006, quand j'avais encore une voix. Et maintenant (et déjà en Aix, en 2006) j'apporte les blogs, librements accessibles dans l'internet. Les adresses (URLs, pas courriels !) marquées sur les panneaux.

Comme je suis donc un tenant du Moyen Âge classique (qui a existé, même si "le Moyen Âge" ne l'a peut-être pas), je suis contre les changements de la Renaissance, comme celui-ci, qui se perpétue par d'un côté la Réforme luthérienne et anglicane, d'un autre, un peu plus tard, le régime de Louis XIV.

Ensuite, "il n’y a pas de Moyen Âge" - moit, moit ...

C'est quelque part possible que LE Moyen Âge n'a pas existé. Ce qui a par contre existé sont trois époques, qu'on peut qualifier selon l'architecture de ces époques des églises romanes ou byzantines, des églises gothiques quand c'était un nouveau style, et des églises en gothique tardive et en école florentine. Ou si on veut, entre les deux premiers, la coupure est dans l'ogive, entre les deux dernier, en peinture, la gothique tardive ayant une peinture réaliste.

J'espère que M. Pascal ne veuille pas nier que Giotto se trouvait à cheval entre les périodes dites assez souvent "Moyen Âge classique" et "Moyen Âge tardive" ...

Mais bien entendu, le "Moyen Âge" comme vue par les partisans d'un programme de la Renaissance, c'est une imposture. Pourtant, le nom est collé à d'autres choses qui ne le sont pas.

Finalement ... ensuite parce que ce mouvement est gnostique et kabbalistique, donc antichrétien et anti-occidental,

Belle description de Giordano Bruno. Belle par son exactitude. Beaucoup moins belle si prétendant être celle d'Érasme, ou encore de son ami et disciple St. Thomas More.

Pour Pico della Mirandola* et Ficino, je pense que M. Pascal exagère. Sont pas mon truc, C. S. Lewis les aimait davantage que moi, lui étant aussi plus platonique, un tantinnet moins thomiste.

Ce qui me traque un peu, c'est que pas mal de gens utilisent les mots "gnostique" et "kabbalistique" un peu à la légère. Une thèse n'est pas, du point de vue catholique, "gnostique" ou relévant de l'erreur gnostique, parce qu'il y a un auteur gnostique qui a dit la même chose. Une thèse l'est du moment que seuls des auteurs gnostiques et pas des auteurs catholiques la soutiennent. Serait-il prône à me taxer de gnostique parce que je crois que les astres sont mus par des anges ? Pourtant, ce n'est pas seulement la thèse de St. Thomas d'Aquin, mais selon Riccioli, qui avoue dans ce contexte que l'astrophysique n'est pas une science empirique, c'est la thèse d'une foultitude de docteurs catholiques approuvés.

New blog on the kid : What Opinion did Riccioli call the Fourth and Most Common One?
https://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/2014/08/what-opinion-did-riccioli-call-fourth.html


Je refuse aussi assez catégoriquement de prendre père Athanasius Kircher pour un antichrétien. Par contre, je ne suis pas fan de John Dee.

En général, on peut dire que la Renaissance était un mélange du bon et du mauvais, comme les autres époques. Du Quattrocento on peut certes citer la Pucelle, mais il y a aussi Gilles de Rais. Pour le Duecento, St. Louis IX, mais aussi Frédéric II (empereur du Saint-Empire). Qu'une certaine publicité pour une époque (ou contre une époque) soit une imposture ne rend pas l'époque imposture. Et en tant qu'époque des impostures, le XXe et XXIe siècle sont pire que le XVIe. Si Chiré me boycotte parce que Alain Pascal me taxe d'ésotérique, on en aurait encore une - quoique un peu plus douloureuse que certaines d'autres pour ma propre peau.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Sainte Élisabeth de Portugal
8.VII.2023

Sanctae Elisabeth Viduae, Lusitanorum Reginae, quae ad regnum caeleste quarto Nonas hujus mensis transivit.

* Bien qu'il n'était pas vraiment mon truc, je viens de lire Pierre Hillard :

Nous pouvons relever qu’en 1486 les « Neuf cents conclusions » de Pic de la Mirandole, promouvant une “bonne” kabbale chrétienne sous l’influence de son mentor, le juif Samuel ben Nissim Abulfaraj dit Mithridate (1445-1489), avaient été condamnées par le pape Innocent VIII dès 1487 car mettant « la magie et la Kabbale au-dessus du témoignage des Évangiles ».
Rivarol 3574, 12 juillet, p. 8

Wednesday, April 13, 2022

"Why a C. S. Lewis Bible?"


Well, if you want absolute orthodoxy, not the best choice - but for modern (post-1950) study Bibles, it's also far from the worst.

I just noted there exists such a thing as a C. S. Lewis Bible:

The C. S. Lewis Bible*
1st of Nov. 2021 | Bible Buying Guide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQQkQhDwQOw


There are three introductory essays about C. S. Lewis and this study Bible project, and the first is by his son Douglas Gresham.

The second paragraph is a very good answer. It's a good choice because C. S. Lewis while a good Bible scholar in fact was too humble to think of himself as a Bible scholar, citing only sentences 2 to 4 of it:

This is the case of the understanding of a man who never regarded himself as a theologian, but always regarded himself as as rank amateur in such matters, and yet is now, more than forty-five** years after his death, regarded as one of the leading theologians of his day. This is a man who never presented himself as any kind of psychologist*** and yet is now thought of as a man who understood human thinking and humanity better than any other writer of his time. This is a man who never imagined himself to be a biblical scholar and yet a man who read and memorised a chapter of the Bible every single day.°


Now, the first paragraph would be misleading if applied to the Haydock Bible.

It seems to me that many annotated Bibles are exercises in one man, or one committee of men, presenting their own wisdom and the results of their own biblical studies to the public at large, and while I ascribe to them the very best motives in the world, there still seems to me to be a touch of arrogance attached to such an endeavour. After all, what is being said is "I/We have studied the Bible for years and I/we have achieved such wisdom therefrom that you need to read my/our comments in order to understand the Bible as deeply and as well as I/we do, which is of vital importance for you to do."


Why is this not a valid criticism of the Haydock Bible? To be fair to Douglas Gresham, he never said (here at least) he was thinking of the Haydock Bible. But still, why does this not apply to it?

First of all, a bishop exposing the Bible is acting on God's command. If he is a bishop of the Catholic Church that is. It's a bit like why L'Histoire d'une âme is not conceited on part of St. Therèse Martin : she didn't chose to write it, she was ordered to, by her Carmelite prioress°° who represented to her the bishop of Lisieux, who represented in the see of Lisieux the authority of God the Father, like a priest represents that of God the Son, like a deacon that of God the Holy Ghost.

Similarily, when a bishop like Witham or Challoner (often cited in the Haydock comment) for instance comments on the Gospel to counter Protestant misrepresentation of it - Witham on John 4:23 for instance:

Ver. 23. Now is the time approaching, when the true adorers shall adore the Father in spirit and in truth, without being confined to any one temple or place; and chiefly in spirit, without such a multitude of sacrifices and ceremonies as even the Jews now practise. Such adorers God himself (who is a pure spirit) desires, which they shall be taught by the Messias. Wi. ...


... he is not presenting his understanding as his own, but as a gift of God, like St. Paul told St. Timothy: That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work. (II Tim 3:17) Since, you see, a bishop is a "man of God" (like St. Timothy was).

Now, George Leo Haydock was not a bishop. But he cited on occasion bishops Witham (as here) or Challoner (who is also regularly cited in the Douay Rheims, which he revised) and saints who were bishops (like St. John Chrysostom) or saints who were not bishops (like St. Thomas Aquinas) or bishops who were not saints (he does on occasion cite Jansenius, a work of whom was condemned by the Pope after his death). He even applied a non-saint and non-bishop's work to the pages, since more than one passage of Genesis and Exodus is supplemented with the Ussher year (given both as Anno Mundi and as BC). However, he does also give his own comments. Here is a good one:

Concerning the transactions of these early times, parents would no doubt be careful to instruct their children, by word of mouth, before any of the Scriptures were written; and Moses might derive much information from the same source, as a very few persons formed the chain of tradition, when they lived so many hundred years. Adam would converse with Mathusalem, who knew Sem, as the latter lived in the days of Abram. Isaac, Joseph, and Amram, the father of Moses, were contemporaries: so that seven persons might keep up the memory of things which had happened 2500 years before. But to entitle these accounts to absolute authority, the inspiration of God intervenes; and thus we are convinced, that no word of sacred writers can be questioned. H.


It's the last words he added as comment on Genesis 3. From same chapter in the C. S. Lewis Bible, I saw a disaster:

We do not know how many of these creatures God made, nor how long they remained in the Paradisal state. ...


Yes, we do. Trent, Session V, makes it clear that the sin we all bear the consequences of was committed by one man, precisely as St. Paul also made clear, so we have a Bible text telling us, God created exactly two of these creatures. And we know they fell before they conceived Cain.

I am an ex of those who took C. S. Lewis as the utmost orthodoxy, I am now a Catholic. And I am very glad this allows me to be unabashedly a Fundie.

However, Haydock had, like Homer, moments of nodding:

It is not material whether the sun turn round the earth, or the contrary. H.


From the Josue 10:12 comment. Yes, it is, since the words "Move not, O sun, toward Gabaon, nor thou, O moon, toward the valley of Ajalon," are not simple narrative, where a phenomenal language could be used, but the words of a miracle worker, where he must be assumed to adress the entity that shall miraculously change normal natural behaviour.

But I am thankful I had C. S. Lewis rather than John Shelby Spong and rather than an Adventist as a teacher about orthodoxy before I turned to Catholicism for it. There are worse examples of praeparatio evangelica.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Wednesday of Holy Week
13.IV.2022

* I watch the video with French automated translation, impossible to get rid of, but suppose the title "La revue biblique de C. S. Lewis" means "The C. S. Lewis Bible" or perhaps "The C. S. Lewis Study Bible".
** 1963 + 45 < 2008 or early 2009, which would be when the first edition is from.
*** Certain people would differ : if you ditch Freud (as he did), you obviously think you are a better expert in psychology than Freud, they would say. I judge that after how they deal with me.
° He may not have used the "Apocrypha section" when doing so, but if he did, this would land him at 1184 days with lectio continua, as that is the number of chapters in a Catholic Bible. 3.24 years. He probably started over again, time after time and used different languages (King James, Vulgate, LXX with Greek NT) - as far as I know, Hebrew was not among his languages, Latin and Greek most certainly were.
°° I think Carmelites are a mendicant order and as such have no abbotts or abbesses.

Monday, January 7, 2019

Report from an Unfinished Novel


I have come a way:



With 57 461 words and intending to write about same amount more, I am halfway through.

Beginning is near finished, middle and end need much more work. I use the chapters already written "after" what I am writing as an outline of what is to come./HGL

Thursday, November 22, 2018

Why Romanides was Wrong


Here is Romanides' idea, first resumed, then quoted:

"Romanides sees St Augustine as the great antagonist of Orthodox thought. Romanides claims that, although he was a saint, Augustine did not have theoria. Many of his theological conclusions, Romanides says, appear not to come from experiencing God and writing about his experiences of God; rather, they appear to be the result of philosophical or logical speculation and conjecture.[note 3] Hence, Augustine is still revered as a saint, but, according to Romanides, does not qualify as a theologian in the Eastern Orthodox church.[8]"


John Romanides : [discussion of saint] Augustine of Hippo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Romanides#Augustine_of_Hippo


Looking up "note 3":

[7] A basic characteristic of the Frankish scholastic method, mislead by Augustinian Platonism and Thomistic Aristotelianism, had been its naive confidence in the objective existence of things rationally speculated about. By following Augustine, the Franks substituted the patristic concern for spiritual observation, (which they had found firmly established in Gaul when they first conquered the area) with a fascination for metaphysics. They did not suspect that such speculations had foundations neither in created nor in spiritual reality. No one would today accept as true what is not empirically observable, or at least verifiable by inference, from an attested effect. So it is with patristic theology. Dialectical speculation about God and the Incarnation as such are rejected. Only those things which can be tested by the experience of the grace of God in the heart are to be accepted. "Be not carried about by divers and strange teachings. For it is good that the heart be confirmed by grace," a passage from Hebrews 13.9, quoted by the Fathers to this effect.


Looking up "7":

FRANKS, ROMANS, FEUDALISM, AND DOCTRINE/EMPIRICAL THEOLOGY VERSUS SPECULATIVE THEOLOGY Father John S. Romanides


Now, what is the central problem?

"No one would today accept as true what is not empirically observable, or at least verifiable by inference, from an attested effect."


And when exactly did St Augustine or St Thomas Aquinas differ from this method, either the object of knowledge is seen, heard, smelled, tasted, felt, or it is inferred from sth other which is so and which is effect of it?

By the way, verifying that the directly verified "x" is indeed effect of the inferred "y" is a bit trickier than Romanides imagined.

What if it is instead the effect of "z" which has not yet been proposed as inference?

What if it is instead the effect of "w" which is also directly verified, but not linked to the directly verified "x" in the common paradigm?

Well, how exactly do we figure out which inferrences are valid and which aren't?

By being good scholastics, which is precisely what Romanides opted out from. What he rejected as a Frankish and ultimately Augustinian aberration.

So, scholastically speaking, is there something wrong with the sentence quoted already twice which I now quote a third time?

"No one would today accept as true what is not empirically observable, or at least verifiable by inference, from an attested effect."


Yes, there is. "No one would today accept as true" - not only is the "no one" part presented as a fact, when probably it is not, but also "today" is presented as a reliable criterium. What died Owen Barfield (an esotoric, but on at least one item less heterodox than Romanides) call this kind of attitude? "Chronological snobbery". Did this attitude of Barfield's bear fruit? Yes, C. S. Lewis' conversion to Christianity (incomplete since he didn't become a Catholic) would have been impeded indefinitely, if he had not learned from Owen Barfield that Chronological snobbery is wrong. And C. S. Lewis can in turn give us mor reliable information than Romanides about the Latin West, whether Frankish or Anglo-Saxon. Including on St. Thomas Aquinas. Or on Bishop Tempier.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St. Cecily, Virgin and Martyr
22.XI.2018

Saturday, November 17, 2018

Were the Inklings a Forbidden Society? No.


Φιλολoγικά/Philologica : Were the Inklings a Forbidden Society? No. · HGL'S F.B. WRITINGS : Craig Crawford's view on Harry Potter (feat. réprise of his view on Tolkien and CSL, feat. Dan Brown) · CSL Not Arian · Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere : Commenting on Schnoebelen's at al:s comments on HP

Here is Baltimore Catichism n° 3 on what societies we must keep out of:

  • Q. 1228. What societies in general are we forbidden to join?

  • A. In general we are forbidden to join:
    • 1. All societies condemned by the Church;
    • 2. All societies of which the object is unlawful and the means used sinful;
    • 3. Societies in which the rights and freedom of our conscience are violated by rash or dangerous oaths;
    • 4. Societies in which any false religious ceremony or form of worship is used.


Were the Inklings condemned by the Church? No.

Was their object unlawful? Was the means used sinful?

The object was Christian men of diverse confessions discussing "letters" and sometimes also producing such.

The means involved meeting in a bar and reading ongoing literary projects to each other. The quantities of beer consumed are presumed to have been below each person's level of tolerance.

I also presume Tolkien and the Catholic Physician known as "useless quack" were not supposed to pray together with non-Catholics, they held no prayer meetings.

Was their right and freedom of conscience violated by a rash or dangerous oath? No. There was no oath and no formal procedure for adding a new member.

Was any false religious ceremony or form of worship used? If so, that would have excluded Tolkien and at first his son Christopher Tolkien immediately, as they were Catholics in good standing. Up to 1962, this would have meant membership in the real Catholic Church and C. S. Lewis (never an actual Catholic by formal reception in the Church and never expressing a final desire to join it, alas) died in 1963.

His final unitary work, posthumously published (but several essay collections and torsos were published after that) was Letters to Malcolm, chiefly on prayer. In it, he refuses to speak up much on liturgic prayer (since not the right person to say anything), except for one thing, liturgy ought to change only in response to pastors of the Church discovering a doctrinal error in the porevious one, and he said he disliked liturgic changes within Anglicanism, and mentioned Catholics had been complaining about that too.

That sentence was very probably referring to John Ronald Reuel Tolkien. He is known to have detested the liturgic changes brought on in the end by a combination of a Vatican II document (Sacrosanctum Concilium was published after CSL had died, but preceded by some sporadic more cautious experimentation) and its application or misapplication by Antiopope Montini (whom JRRT was accepting as Pope until he died in 1973).

So, Inklings cannot have had common religious ceremonies, perhaps except for meal prayers, if Catholics had a dispensation to say grace with non-Catholics, but arguably they each said grace over a preceding meal before going to the pub or said grace silently each according to his own liturgic tradition. Probably, unlike Chesterton, they did not say grace over the beer.

In other words, joining the Inklings was no sin.

Against this has been alleged that they included Owen Barfield known to be Steinerian, esoteric, but this is because C. S. Lewis and Owen Barfield were friends even before C. S. Lewis converted to Christianity. It was Owen Barfield's description of Chronological Snobbery which cured C. S. Lewis of the illusion that Christianity must be wrong because a thing in those days more and more (in England's bourgeoisie) of the past.

It has also been alleged that C. S. Lewis had a duty to avoid Barfield's company and failing that became himself a company to avoid.

I do not think that the duty to avoid freemasons adds up to avoiding people who were one's friends before one converted, and even if it did, I do not think the failure to live up to that supposed duty would constitute a masonic initiation and make C. S. Lewis himself a bad company. Not to mention that if Steinerians were condemned ... yes, they were, by the way, and this may explain quite a lot on why C. S. Lewis did not convert to Catholicism. They were condemned in 1919 as a society or as a doctrine, and that was the year in which C. S. Lewis became Owen Barfield's friend.

Anthroposophy was condemned by the Roman Catholic Church in 1919.

From : Anthroposophy
by Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J. (New Catholic Encylopedia, Vol. 1, 1967, pp. 615-616
http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Protestantism/Protestantism_008.htm


This would also explain why Tolkien displayed what C. S. Lewis considered as "jealousy" of Owen Barfield - Tolkien was trying to get his Jack away from Steiner at times. Not that he was really into it. Anyway, when C. S. Lewis became Barfield's friend, he was not yet Christian and could not be expected to obey a condemnation by the Catholic Church. Either way, an Inkling meeting was not a Theosophic ritual or Anthroposophic ritual. Being part of the Inklings was not obviously violating the rules as outlined above by the Catechism.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St. Gregory of Tours
17.XI.2018

Friday, May 19, 2017

"Cellar door, if it only meant something more interesting" ... but it does!


Quoting from memory C. S. Lewis' written endorsement of this phrase as highly aesthetic phonetically.

In Letters to children, one to a goddaughter, who wanted to become a writer, I think.

We know that Tolkien in his essay on English and Welsh mentioned same phrase - without the qualification "if it only meant something more interesting".

Perhaps wisely so.

First, we can check pronunciation : the "cellar" seems to be the non-rhotic pronunciation, the "door" at least potentially the rhotic one.

Now, I just said, it does mean sth more interesting than the door of a cellar - depending on which language you go to.

For [selador] in French, it means sth highly interesting (never mind French r's being unaesthetic, one can use the Burgundian version, and not use the Parisian r).

Let's put it in context:

"Adorer, ça signifie de mettre en avant la bonté, sainteté, grandeur de Dieu. Les êtres créés le font volontairement s'ils sont doués de l'esprit, et par leur nature en tout cas, même s'ils ne le sont pas, comme le sel et comme l'eau. Le sel adore Dieu par le fait de purifier et faire guérir les plaies, et ceci avec de la peine, comme c'est le cas pour la pénitence. Et l'eau adore Dieu par le fait d'être limpide, pour le fait d'enlever les souillures et de préparer les gens à vivre un bon moment avec le visage et les vêtements propres. Donc, le sel et l'eau sont utilisés pour l'eau bénite, avec qui on se signe avant d'adorer Dieu."

But you also have Spanish, where it would in Madrid and further South be "watchman" or "watching". Above, in Burgos, that would not be [selador] but [thelador].

In theory, it could instead have been either of two meanings, Latin "celator" - hider - or "zelator" - zealot. Probably the first is the real relative of Spanish celador.

If one made a conlang with roughly Spanish development of Latin words, but with an accent shift like in Sindarin to make it sound more English [sélador = roughly cellar door, rather than seladór], one could say sth about the "cellar door" which makes the subject highly interesting - and which Chesterton would have endorsed:

"The cellar door? Búino, es célador de tésoros y es célador de la líbertadh."*

It is a hider (or watchman!) of treasures and a zealot for liberty - so much indeed of the first, that I suspect Uther Pendragon was more related to the cellar door of king Cole of Colchester than to the dragon of Beowulf, since wine is a healthier treasure than "iumenna gold", especially if also "galdre bewunden."

At least Thorin found it so.

Reminds me of the fact that in Spain, wine cellars in certain parts of the North look very much like hobbit holes (same round doors), so that a wine bottle is technically a "hobbit" - a "holbytla", a "hole dweller". Hence my joke back in 2004 about "drink a hobbit". Nothing to do with any vampyric lusts after Pippin or Merry, simply an observation on where wine bottles in Spain are dwelling.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
Pope St Celestine V
19.V.2017

* Real Spanish : "La trappa de la cava? Bueno, es celadora de tesóros y celosa de la libertad".

Friday, February 3, 2017

Are constructed languages (Na'vi, etc) really languages? Why or why not? (quora)


1) HGL's F.B. writings : On Constructed Languages · 2) Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere : ... on Con-Langs · 3) HGL's F.B. writings : Noster Franzeis - üne Lange konstreute per mei! · 4) Φιλολoγικά/Philologica : Are constructed languages (Na'vi, etc) really languages? Why or why not? (quora)

Q
Are constructed languages (Na'vi, etc) really languages? Why or why not?

Comment on Q
Are made up languages considered languages at all? What are examples of some fairly developed ones?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
I speak two langs, Latin and Germanic. In a few dialects.
Written just now
By whom?

Some would not consider Sindarin or Dothraki as languages because they have no native speakers.

Neither has Latin, but it certainly is a language.*

“Are made up languages considered languages at all?”

Depends a bit on what you mean by “made up”.

Supposing, as is probable, Book of Mormon was a human rather than a diabolic fraud, Nephitic would be a made up language in so far as Joseph Smith only pretended to have been translating it from Nephitic, but never had any such original.

OR, he could have prepared a few neat phrases in Nephitic, just in case.

OR, a devil could have really constructed a text in conlang Nephitic and really helped Joseph Smith to make an accurate translation.

(I don’t think Joseph Smith would have had the time to write a full original in Nephitic himself or even a full translation to it : he seems not to have been a talented linguist).

In the first case Nephitic is a fictitious language, in the latter two, to various degrees, a constructed one.

Fictitious languages are NOT languages, constructed ones are.

* I am here sharpening the criteria for native language : some - one I know - learned Latin as first language, but in those cases parents or one parent had learned it as second language. Native language would be more like learning a first language from parents who also learned it as a first language. By now probably someone has Quenya with Neo-Quenya as a bilingual "first language" too. Less probably, as an exclusive one.

Other answers:

Ranjodh Singh Arora
student, fond of languages
Written Sep 4
I must say, according to some linguists, conlangs are not considered languages unless they have multiple native speakers. Klingon or Dothraki are therefore not considered languages. But Esperanto and Ido are.

Alexandre Coutu
B.A. in Linguistics
Written Oct 4, 2013
Upvoted by André Müller
Yes.

The most famous example of a constructed language is Esperanto, which has a fairly large community of speakers.

The basic definition of language is, in my own words, a system of meaningful units (ie. words carry meaning) that are organized according to a series of rules (ie. grammar); the manipulation of these units within the framework of these rules allows the user to modulate that meaning. This definition is certainly large enough to encompass all man-made languages, oral or signed, and even computer languages.

I suppose, from a layman’s point of view, you could say that if you are looking at a list of words that were given meaning, and a list of minimal rules that imposes limits of how these words are organized, you are looking at a system that can be learned and that two people could use to communicate meaning to each other. That, fundamentally, is what a language is.

George Corley
PhD student in Linguistics, University of Wisconsin at Madison
Written Oct 18, 2013
Upvoted by André Müller and Logan R. Kearsley
Constructed languages, or conlangs, are generally full languages with developed grammar and a lexicon. To what degree a conlang is "complete" varies, but for myself and many in the community there is a certain point where you do consider it a conlang. Now, most conlangs are never spoken, never alive, so to speak, but even many of those are well-crafted and fully usable languages.

Some well known examples of well-developed conlangs include:

Quenya and Sindarin (by J.R.R Tolkien) those familiar "Elvish" languages in The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. Tolkien worked on his Elven languages for his entire life, resulting in many different versions of fully functioning languages, and a large lexicon (I have heard that approximately 3,000 Quenya words have been found).

Esperanto (by L.L. Zamenhof), mentioned above. The original pamphlet was more of a sketch of a language, but the community that grew around it developed it further into a fully usable language that even has a number of native speakers.

Klingon (by Marc Okrand), contracted for the Star Trek franchise. Klingon has some odd vocabulary holes, but it has proven complete enough to produce translations of the Bible and Hamlet.

Dothraki, Valyrian, Irathient, Castithan (by David J. Peterson) all of these were contracted for television (the first two for Game of Thrones, the others for Defiance), and David takes his craft very seriously. He also has developed some sketches (what he calls "language pallettes") for a couple other Defiance languages, and has a number of languages he has developed on his own.

And, of course, there are many, many more that are less well-known. I usually don't self-pimp, but if you want to take a listen to the Conlangery Podcast, we have featured many constructed languages on the show -- and even that only scratches the surface.

Monday, June 13, 2016

Misunderstanding the word Myth


Quotes from this one:

The Importance of Myths and Fairy Tales for Christian Children
Crisis Magazine, May 7, 2015
http://catholicexchange.com/the-importance-of-myths-and-fairy-tales-for-christian-children


The ancient myths, for my children, fall into the same category of fairy tales, the Chronicles of Narnia, or the Legends of King Arthur. They would love to be in the same world that these things are true, but they know that they are not and will never be. When it comes to their Christian faith, they know (already) that the Eucharist is Jesus Christ, they talk about becoming nuns, they willingly pray for people, and have devotions to their favorite saints. My four year old preaches to the monsters that she believes are under the bed, “Jesus died so that we can go to Heaven.” But they do not confuse the imaginative world of nursery rhymes, fairy tales, and myths with the revealed truths in Scripture.


Distinguo, Sir!

Fairy tales like Puss in Boots are, like Narnian Chronicles, like Lord of the Rings, like Taran the Wanderer, like Sherlock Holmes and like Miss Marple, like Tintin and like Spirou and Fantasio, like Superman and like Batman (whether Dark Knight version or Dynamic Duo version), and like Mary Poppins, Father Brown and the Man who was Thursday the kind of things God thought of but did not decide to create as physical reality, but rather allow human authors to show some "creativity".

Hesiod's Theogony and Voluspá are things God allowed demons to fool people with.

Canons of Navarrone, Iliad, Odyssey, King Arthur, Sigurd, Beowulf, Skioldungs and Ynglings are more like somewhat blurred memories of what really happened some time ago, when things became exciting. Canons of Navarrone being closest in time in subject.

Greek myths do not fall into one category, but into two, since Hesiod and Ovid's Metamorphoses on the one hand are fairytales by Hesiod but no longer by Ovid mistaken for religious truth.

A few of them do reflect historic truth about Flood or about Nephelim, but in a theologically blurred way.

While, on the other hand, Iliad, Odyssey, Greek Tragedy are about real people, or mostly so.

It would be easier to pinpoint a certain departure from history in Canons of Navarrone than in these Greek sagas. Partly of course, since records of more clearly trustworthy nature, like very sober and even boring accounts, are lacking.* But partly also because the trustworthy sources we do have are less trusted than they should be.

There is a vague disbelief in Odyssey, or in Oedipus. For a Christian, it would be somewhat difficult to pinpoint any specific event which was certainly not true than for an atheist what he could not believe true. Only, the theological interpretation of events is certainly false - as is also the case when an atheist or shintoist says how no God at all or shinto gods operated during World War II - this does not necessarily mean they were not eyewitnesses and very accurate such to visible events. And, excepting Communists, not necessarily that they are lying either.

My children love to imagine that they are in fairy tales, have found the way into “princess land,” or that the imagined wardrobe in the wall will take them to Narnia. But they are really longing for Heaven, and in desiring the magical, imagined land, they are exhibiting their desire for fulfillment in union with God.


That was not necessarily what Tolkien was saying.

He says that fairy tale at its highest has a quality which is included in the pleasure we take in the truths of faith, not that all longing for faerie is in and of itself a longing for Heaven.

However, whatever children long for when reading made up stories (except when it is clearly Hellish), I think they should be allowed to read enough of that but also enough of what might be called docu-fiction - Canons of Navarrone, Iliad, Odyssey, Aeneid, Beowulf, Sigurd and Didrik sagas, Njáls saga and so on, so they can tell the difference.

I will never forget how I was very clearly reminded of how Richard Coeur de Lion was a real person:

Robin Hood legend has him as hero, while Austrian legend has him as, if not outright crook, at least the kind of stormy character who will ruin the getting along between people who should cooperate.

Even if the Austrian Duke (or were the Babenbergs still Counts?) was, in his turn, somewhat vengeful.

Or, like when the Hunde von Kuenring have very different moral status in Nether Austria and in the not so far off Liechtenstein.

When people disagree over whether someone was a goody or a baddy, that is for one thing a sign it is usually a real person.

When German labels a thing Sage rather than Märchen, it is usually also historic, more or less.

And if, in some cases not, that is also the case with other kinds of fake history, which are not labelled Sagen.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St Anthony of Padua
13.VI.2016

* Not quite. Iliad, song II, contains a ship catalogue which is famous for being as boring as the genealogies of the Old Testament. I think including Corinth in it was a joke, Homer poking fun at Corinthians without culture, but apart from that, I think it is pretty factual./HGL

Tuesday, March 1, 2016

GWW vs Plato, HGL vs GWW


1) New blog on the kid : GWW got Aristotle and St Thomas wrong. · 2) HGL's F.B. writings : What Mechanism? Are "Angelic Movers Outside Natural Sciences"? · 3) Φιλολoγικά/Philologica : GWW vs Plato, HGL vs GWW · 4) New blog on the kid : Was There No Celestial Mechanics for Tychonian System? Oh, yes! · 5) Φιλολoγικά/Philologica : One More Quote, if I May, Please! · 6) HGL's F.B. writings : Sungenis Countering Flat Earthers - with Some Lacks in his Argument · 7) Φιλολoγικά/Philologica : Any Fathers NOT Supporting Round Earth? Any Authorities that DO support Angelic Movers? · 8) HGL's F.B. writings : Debating with Sungenis, Mainly

Same format as on GWW's take on Aristotle.

Popper
Copernicus studied in Bologna under the Platonist Novara; and Copernicus’ idea of placing the sun rather than the Earth in the center of the universe was not the result of new observations but of a new interpretation of old and well-known facts in the light of semi-religious Platonic and Neo-Platonic ideas. The crucial idea can be traced back to the sixth book of Plato’s Republic, where we can read that the sun plays the same role in the realm of visible things as does the idea of the good in the realm of ideas. Now the idea of the good is the highest in the hierarchy of Platonic ideas. Accordingly the sun, which endows visible things with their visibility, vitality, growth and progress, is the highest in the hierarchy of the visible things in nature.…Now if the sun was to be given pride of place, if the sun merited a divine status…then it was hardly possible for it to revolve about the Earth. The only fitting place for so exalted a star was the center of the universe. So the Earth was bound to revolve about the sun. This Platonic idea, then, forms the historical background of the Copernican revolution. It does not start with observations, but with a religious or mythological idea.

[Conjectures and Refutations: The Growth of Scientific Knowledge, p. 187. Popper is referring to Dominicus Maria da Novara, a mathematician and astronomer in Italy. Indulging in a bit of anachronistic evaluation, Popper goes on to defend him, suggesting that even though Copernicus’ idea came before the observation, he was nevertheless correct and “not a crank.” More of Popper’s a-posteriori thinking appears later in the book: “The Copernican system, for example, was inspired by a Neo-Platonic worship of the light of the Sun who had to occupy the ‘centre’ because of his nobility. This indicates how myths may develop testable components. They may, in the course of discussion, become fruitful and important for science” (ibid., p. 257).]

p. 56

GWW
Popper, being a supporter of the heliocentric revolution, couches his critique of Copernicus in rather polite terms, but essentially he is saying that Copernicus’ brainchild had all the earmarks of originating from pagan sun-worship.

NOTE
Er, no. One can be, and there have been, Christian Platonists who agreed well enough with Plato on this one, but who, nevertheless, cannot be considered Pagans.

Take St Francis who said:

Citing Cantico delle creature
"Altissimu, onnipotente, bon Signore,

tue so' le laude, la gloria e 'honore et onne benedictione.

Ad te solo, Altissimo, se konfàno et nullu homo ène dignu te mentovare.

Laudato sie, mi' Signore, cum tucte le tue creature, spetialmente messor lo frate sole, lo qual è iorno, et allumini noi per lui. Et ellu è bellu e radiante cum grande splendore, de te, Altissimo, porta significatione. ..."


HGL again
Confer how many lines there are between God and Sun-and-Moon in another canticle of similar thematics:

Citing Benedicite:
Daniel 3:[52] Blessed art thou, O Lord the God of our fathers: and worthy to be praised, and glorified, and exalted above all for ever: and blessed is the holy name of thy glory: and worthy to be praised, and exalted above all in all ages. [53] Blessed art thou in the holy temple of thy glory: and exceedingly to be praised, and exceeding glorious for ever. [54] Blessed art thou on the throne of thy kingdom, and exceedingly to be praised, and exalted above all for ever. [55] Blessed art thou, that beholdest the depths, and sittest upon the cherubims: and worthy to be praised and exalted above all for ever.

[56] Blessed art thou in the firmament of heaven: and worthy of praise, and glorious for ever. [57] All ye works of the Lord, bless the Lord: praise and exalt him above all for ever. [58] O ye angels of the Lord, bless the Lord: praise and exalt him above all for ever. [59] O ye heavens, bless the Lord: praise and exalt him above all for ever. [60] O all ye waters that are above the heavens, bless the Lord; praise and exalt him above all for ever.

[61] O all ye powers of the Lord, bless the Lord: praise and exalt him above all for ever. [62] O ye sun and moon, bless the Lord: praise and exalt him above all for ever. ...


HGL again
Compared to Shadrach, Mesach and Abed-Nego, St Francis was clearly agreeing with Plato (and perhaps with King David too), and some Puritans would, for this reason, probably accuse him of sunworship in a Pagan way.

Their Bibles (I think?) often have shorter versions of Daniel chapter three. But will they say the same thing of King David?

Citing Caeli enarrant
Psalm 18:[6] He hath set his tabernacle in the sun: and he, as a bridegroom coming out of his bride chamber, Hath rejoiced as a giant to run the way: [7] His going out is from the end of heaven, And his circuit even to the end thereof: and there is no one that can hide himself from his heat.

HGL again
So was King David agreeing with Plato? Or was it rather Plato who agreed with King David?

But in that case, perhaps Plato wasn't wrong.

Note, Plato was not a Heliocentric. Saying the Sun is the HIGHEST does not make it IMMOBILE.

Actually, when Newton makes Sun most relatively immobile part of "our Solar System" and this because Sun has "most mass" (i e is heaviest), very far from making Sun the noblest part, he is making Sun LOWER than Earth.

That is my own objection to Heliocentrism of the Newtonian variety.

It makes us look "up" in terms of solar system only at night, and it makes us get our daily light from below.

However, of this ghastly fault, Copernicus was as such not yet guilty. Nor was Kepler.


Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre University Library
Tuesday after III Lord's Day in Lent
1.III.2016

PS, on God as mover of daily movement:

GWW
This very question had troubled the Greeks and Romans over two thousand years ago. Seneca, for example, writes a description very similar to what Born, Hoyle, or Hawking write today, only back then he didn’t have anyone to provide him a scientific answer:

Seneca
It will be proper to discuss this, in order that we may know whether the universe revolves and the Earth stands still, or the universe stands still and the Earth rotates. For there have been those who asserted that…risings and settings do not occur by virtue of the motion of the heaven, but that we ourselves rise and set. The subject is worthy of consideration…whether the abode allotted to us is the most slowly or the most quickly moving, whether God moves everything around us or ourselves instead.

Reference
Seneca, Nat. Quaest. vii. 2, 3. Cited in Aristarchus of Samos: The Ancient Copernicus, Sir Thomas Heath, 1913, p. 308.

p. 79

NOTE
A God who moves the whole universe around us, as we observe (unless assuming we could correct our observations from some other place of rest which we cannot) is the God who is Lord over all of the universe.

The God who turns only US around might be some only local God of this Earth.

Which is of course a kind of Satanism to presume. This is why philosophy is best if sticking to face value of observations, unless they are really proven wrong. Which they aren't./HGL

Monday, January 4, 2016

Fable and Allegory


1) Φιλολoγικά/Philologica : Fable and Allegory, 2) Correspondence of Hans Georg Lundahl : With Dwight on Definition of Fundies, 3) Dwight Longenecker Not Knowing What Computers Are, and Not Answering a Challenge On It, 4) With Dwight on Fundies, Again, 5) One item on Dwight, related to Teen Marriages, 6) Was Dwight Ever Outright Heretic? If So, it is Here I Blamed him, 7) Φιλολoγικά/Philologica (again) : Dwight Longenecker and Bildungsroman

Dixit Dwight:

When Tolkien vociferously denies that LOTR is an “allegory,” he seems to be denying that it is a fable: that is, he is reacting against stupid people who were inclined to say, “The ring is the atomic bomb. The Shire is England. Minas Tirith is the United States. Mordor is Nazi Germany. Isengard is Fascist Italy. Wormtongue is Neville Chamberlain. Eowyn is Vera Lynn.”


But if you really knew the fables of La Fontaine and of Aesop, they are very much less allegorical than that.

Of course Animal Farm is BOTH a fable (as in a story with an Esop where animals talk) and an allegory (as in a story where Russian Revolution and its subversion by Stalin is presented by another story).

Bunyan has an allegory where Popery as a toothless old giant stands for Catholicism which had become harmless in England due to Reformation (which is horribly unfair to Catholicism, but indeed Bunyan's intent, and probably more charitable than Titus Oates, at least). And everything else in it is an allegory. A City called Destruction is allegory of "state of sin" combined with "community of sinners"/"civitas diabolis". Not totally clearly - in Bunyan, as opposed to St Augustine - distinguished from "civitas terrena".

C. S. Lewis made one book which really is an allegory - Pilgrim's Regress (some reference to Bunyan not quite out of place, but not a Puritan work). In it red and black dwarfs obeying the same King Barbarian are allegorical of Commies and diverse Fascists (including Nazis) to same spirit of ruffians leading to totalitarian revolutions (a trace of this is found in the atheist Red Dwarf Trumpkin in Prince Caspian and the occultist Black Dwarf Nikabrik in same book).

In a fable, the story as a whole conveys a specific moral - called an Esop.

In an allegory every detail corresponds to some detail of the main allegorical plan. Like Romance of the Rose corresponds to a plan of making inner feelings of the beloved + her circumstances persons whom the main character encounters when trying to "pluck a rose". Or like in Animal Farm everything corresponds to a main plan in which "man" = oppressors and "animal" = proletariat. Including a pig (animal, therefore proletarian) ending up walking on two legs (like a man, therefore like an oppressor). By the way, the sheep in Animal Farm who asks "aren't all animals equal" and gets a reply "yes, but some are more equal than others" also has an echo in a Narnia book, namely The Last Battle. And the horse slaughtered in Animal Farm corresponds - as literary reference, not as allegory - to talking horses driven off to the Tisroc in Last Battle.

Unlike Romance of the Rose, Voyage of the Dawn Treader is not an allegory. Unlike Pilgrim's Regress and Animal Farm, Prince Caspian and Last Battle are not allegories.

So, an allegory is like a fable with a lot of fables in it. And a fable is a story built around an Esop.

Each parable of Our Lord may be a fable or an allegory. But one could take The Prodigal Son into two kinds of extensions. One of them would add the kind of detail which was needed to make it a realistic novel. One other would add the kind of detail which would include further niches of fable-Esops or other correspondences with what one considers the story is about (as in conversion to God, as in conversion of Gentiles while Older Son walks sadly and Pharisaically away etc.) into the details, just as the main story has an Esop.

C.S. Lewis also denied that his Narnia stories were allegorical, but did not deny his intent for the stories to bear a theological reading. He used the word “analogy” to explain how the Narnia stories reflected an underlying theological system.


Did he really use the words "the stories reflect an underlying theological system"?

I doubt it. They presuppose it. And the system is ambiguous, insofar as author could state that Aslan is a parallel incarnation of God the Son (highly problematic as a theological concept), while this fan fic writer has preferred the idea that God the Son, incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth, seated at the Right of the Father is present under the species of a lion's body in the world of Narnia, just as He is present under the species of bread and of wine on the altar. That might break down on some of the stories (The Horse and His Boy), but at least makes Bethlehem the place "where Aslan was a lion cub" and therefore keeps uniqueness of Incarnation. As His sacrifice is present on the altar, so also on the Stone Table, with the difference that the altar shows His sacrifice performed by a priest like Him according to the Order of Melchisedec, the Stone Table shows how Satan plotted for the Crucifixion. I do not know if C. S. Lewis would have approved this reinterpretation of inherent theology in the stories, and I have some difficulty in accepting as orthodox the one he had in view.

So, there is - somewhat ambiguously, perhaps - a theological system presupposed in Narnia Chronicles. This does not mean the stories are there only to reflect it.

So, Calvary and Empty Tomb are shown at the Stone Table - but the four thrones and the children who had grown up as adult kings and queens returning as children and doing so at the chase of a stag, what does that refer to in terms of theology? Nothing. The reason why Narnia stories are NOT allegories is precisely this, there is SO much which cannot be explained in them by the real or supposed theological meaning. Or, if it is a beaver who is telling the four children of their tasks - what has a talking beaver to do with the Theology of Christian Easter?

These things are there for the story and not for a theological meaning.

Can the same kind of analogy to truth be detected in the Indiana Jones films? Let me give it a try.


I will spare you the details of his try. But the kind of spiritual progress traced in a story in a somewhat allegorical way he has in mind works a thousand times better for The Tower of Geburah than for Indiana Jones. The chapter "wishes don't wash" means that regretting your sins doesn't clean you, as long as you don't turn to "Gaal", which VERY transparably is Christ, as seen by Evangelicals.

Not meaning the idea he gives about Indiana Jones cannot have been a kind of inspirational backbone shared between writers - who would surely have talked to each other - but they only give a kind of "character arc" for Dr. Jones, they have nothing to do with the "story arc" of the stories, apart from that.

With such obtuseness about matters of literature, I am not quite surprised he can be unduly impressed by people claiming Genesis 1 to 11 have a kind of literary genre which is incompatible with story being meant to be taken as literally true.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre University Library
Octave of Holy Innocents
4-I-2016

I nearly forgot to link to his work:

The Imaginative Conservative : The Theological Theory of Indiana Jones
by Dwight Longenecker, Published: Jan 3, 2016
http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2016/01/the-theological-theory-of-indiana-jones.html

Tuesday, October 27, 2015

What does Subcreator Mean?


1) Can a Christian Author be indebted to an Anti-Christian one? , 2) What does Subcreator Mean?, 3) Was God's Motive Ethic or Aesthetic When Creating?

I wonder how much heat Tolkien and Lewis have taken simply because of the term "subcreation" and "subcreator" about act of inventing or man who invents a tale of fiction.

I totally subscribe to this:

7. No creature can as principal or secondary-instrumental cause, from or by its own power, create anything from nothing or bring new beings into existence that transcend their own nature.

THIRTY THESES AGAINST THEISTIC EVOLUTION
By Paula Haigh
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/evolution/etheistic.htm


Now, if you paint, if you make scenery for a theatre, or if you write a story, you do not create from nothing. You create from something, even if that something is, in the case of writing a story, just words and ideas, originally never your own.

This is why, in very conscious polemics to a modern fad of calling writers and artists "creators", Tolkien and Lewis preferred the word "SUB-creators". When universities give classes in "Creative Writing" we know these two were not creating the university course, or it would have been called "SUB-creative Writing".

Now, certain people, totally unaware of context, but too much aware of their own associations, have wrongly concluded that T and L were claiming to, from or by their own power, as secondary instrumental causes, create from nothing or bring new being into existance.

No.

They are claiming to be secondary instrumental causes of a beauty which ultimately God creates, but only insofar as this beauty is what they create out of something, and only insofar as what is given it is, rather than being, which only God can confer, the artistic illusion of being, which art can confer.

The term "secondary worlds" has causes confusion here, though it was meant to be perfectly clear as to meaning "worlds which, unlike the primary world, exist only in art". And whether or not they thought it through like that, this is true of any novelist. Not just those whose scenery is unlikely to be realistically identified with such or such a portion of the space and the time of the world God put us in.

Tolkien is subcreative and Middle Earth is a secondary world, because it contains a country or larger region of countries called Eriador. And because the parallel of Rome (where Minas Tirith is set) is not yet set on a peninsula in a Mediterranean sea. But then again Hergé is subcreative and the world of Tintin is secondary, because it contains Syldavia and Borduria and because a pre-Stalin or very early Stalin Soviet Russia comes only a few years (Tintin is hardly aging even a decade) before Doctor Tournesol is kidnapped in a Cold War like setting and the flight to Sydney gets him in touch with aliens of a distinctly seventies taste. Of course, each album reflected the world in which Hergé wrote, but Tintin and Haddock did not age in time with Hergé. And the Sherlock Holmes stories are in a secondary world in which Austro-Hungarian regions are as unlikely to appear on real maps from Austria or Hungary (the Empire and the Kingdom, not just the two states that are left of them now) as Ruritania of the Prisoner of Zenda.

Was Tolkien elevating himself to the role of Creator, a role belonging to God alone, but "creating" (he would have insisted "subcreating") Eriador and its Elves speaking Sindarin and knowing Quenya? Well, in that case, so was Anthony Hope when he wrote The Prisoner of Zenda (a difference is that this work involves a love triangle, which is sth Tolkien avoided in his Legendarium, just as Hergé did avoid it in his Tintin). And Zamenhof was doing so by inventing Esperanto, even if the purpose was different, practical and idealistic rather than artistic. And even if Zamenhof's borrowings from "real languages" (as in languages spoken by real speach communities having it as mother tongue, there is a speach community of neo-Quenya, in the same sense as there is an esperanto community) are more open and more plentyful than those studied by Tolkien linguists.

C. S. Lewis was posing himself the question "if God the Son had created another world and redeemed another world, what would that have looked like" or rather what COULD that have looked like? And in that sense he was acting as subcreator for a secondary world really distinct as world (if it had been there) from the one we live in. Only part of that world in common with our world : the Heaven of both worlds is the same.

And, even if God in fact did not create that other world, He could have. Fiction studies the possible in combinations that authors hope to show their readers as probable. It does not study the real as real. And it is de fide (Tempier, laetare Sunday 1276, now dated 1277, since New Years are on Jan 1 rather than March 25, Paris diocese, conf. condemned proposition 34) that God can create worlds other than our own, not that He did, but that He can.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
Vigil of Sts Simon and Jude
27-X-2015

PS, by JRRT and CSL "taking heat", I do not mean them personally, since this misunderstanding of what they meant very clearly seems to date from after their deaths or, if earlier, from behind their backs. If they had been confronted with it and thought it prevalent, they would have given the correction during their lifetime./HGL

Wednesday, October 21, 2015

Can a Christian Author be indebted to an Anti-Christian one?


1) Can a Christian Author be indebted to an Anti-Christian one? , 2) What does Subcreator Mean?, 3) Was God's Motive Ethic or Aesthetic When Creating?

In below, I thought the marks of affection in Ausonius' letters to St. Paulinus were of a homosexual motivation, but Ausonius was in fact his grandfather. Sorry, my bad, did cross out the mistake. For "Ausonius, who was not just Pagan, but even homosexual." read instead "Ausonius, who was Pagan."


It is possible that José Antonio Primo de Rivera was in some way indebted to Marx. Once he called him "a talented Jew, who saw the problem with Capitalism, but not the solution to Capitalism."

St Paulinus of Nola was mentored by Ausonius, who was not just Pagan, but even homosexual.

And, of course, C. S. Lewis had some debts in literary and mental make up to Anti-Christians.

Edith Nesbit was both Fabian Society and, possibly (on a list of known or alleged members!) Golden Dawn. This did of course not bother C. S. Lewis in his childhood, he was just happy to read her books.

James George Frazer in The Golden Bough was in a Darwinian fashion tracing the thought of mankind in the stages magic, religion and science, much as the Positivist Comte traced it in mythology, metaphysics and positive science. Obviously he was Anti-Christian. And as obviously C. S. Lewis enjoyed him while he was an Atheist.

William Morris, who was a great author of fantasy and a great exponent of Medievalism was also a revolutionary socialist. Hardly a strict if at all Christian. He was enjoyed by both C. S. Lewis and J. R. R. Tolkien.

So, if C. S. Lewis was reading these before becoming a Christian, was it his duty to renounce them at conversion? In all of their works, in all of their thoughts, in all of their novels and nostalgia for Middle Ages as well as for Paganism?

No.

Morris is not on the Index. Nesbit is not on the Index. Even Frazer is not on the index. If it had been either C. S. Lewis' duty when converting to Christianity or Tolkien's when taking his Catholicism seriously, to renounce these authors, the Church should have said so.

Is there a reason why these are not on the index?

Let's start with Frazer. The details of paganism are the main content of his work. His ideology - which is indeed antichristian - is absent from its pages, meant to be gathered between the lines, perhaps alluded to in a foreword, but it does not determine any content to be included which is factually erroneous. And facts about Paganism are not Anti-Christian errors. Even if presented by one Anti-Christian.

Then Morris may have hated Capitalism in a somewhat wrong way, if he thought Marxist Socialism a solution. But it is a wrong thing and Medieval Guilds were partly there to prevent it. As for the rest, the Middle Ages, which he did not quite admire in all respects in the right way, were admireable, since they were the product of Christianity. Which Chesterton (notably in Return of Don Quijote) and Tolkien fully appreciated, even if Morris did not. However, he did realise the falling away from them, Industrial Capitalism, was a product of esp. Calvinist Protestantism, which he duly found unattractive.

Of course, if he once said "love is enough", he was, if speaking of human loves, wrong. He needed to be contradicted. He was - by his admirer C. S. Lewis. The intro to his The Four Loves, or the post script, whichever, says the novel so entitled (actually the title was somewhat longer: Love is Enough, or The Freeing of Pharamond: A Morality, 1872) got its briefest review in the few words "it isn't" - and the book by CSL agreed largely with that assessment. Only adding that preventing human loves is not the recipe for curing their mistakes.

Note, this book (by CSL, I haven't read the one by Morris) is not limiting the mistakes to those of Eros, his third love. There is a kind of paternal or parental possessiveness which is about Affection, his first love. There are kinds of intellectual pride, which are about Friendship, his second love. And Eros can be hallowed in marriage, while the other two loves here mentioned are not usually so.

And Nesbit ... like Morris, also Nesbit wrote for the large public. They adapted to its tastes, which were very much more Christian than when Rowling wrote Harry Potter. Also, like Morris, Nesbit did have sensible things to say, about cooperation among siblings or about preference for less competitive and more wellproductive but not overproductive economies, like pre-Industrial Revolution.

Nevertheless, some errors were expressed but on the other hand their readers C. S. Lewis and J. R. R. Tolkien actively strove to take the good and avoid or correct the bad from Nesbit (CSL) or Morris (CSL & JRRT). If one has read an author with delight who does express some bad things, either avoiding the author or this method of sifting and correcting are the correct ones, when you realise this fact.

And this was, by temperament, the path they chose, but also because the authors in question were not so heavily and overtly anti-Christian in their writings as to have merited for instance inclusion on the index of forbidden books. Which is a thing Tolkien would have known and a thing which was sufficiently apparent from the texts for C. S. Lewis to sense it even if he did not know this fact about the Index.

So, yes, despite being indebted to Anti-Christian authors, they are themselves Christian authors. Not flawless, but not so bad as to merit the comparison I have heard over the web or orally here, namely with the Apocrypha on which St Jerome had a few things to say in the previously quoted letter:

Let her avoid all apocryphal writings, and if she is led to read such not by the truth of the doctrines which they contain but out of respect for the miracles contained in them; let her understand that they are not really written by those to whom they are ascribed, that many faulty elements have been introduced into them, and that it requires infinite discretion to look for gold in the midst of dirt.


C. S. Lewis and J. R. R. Tolkien saw to it that their readers did not have to use infinite discretion, simply by using what discretion they had themselves. This was especially so in Tolkien, who was a Catholic.

This is why I think a Christian need not blush to read them.

As for the charge that they were secretly Illuminati, I think it is totally erroneous. It was made by John Todd while CSL had already been dead and JRRT was close to death, therefore neither had an opportunity to respond. Also, it may be informative if one author is very erroneous anyway - like Marx and Engels are - to know he was secretly of such and such an occultist obedience or even a diabolist (see further Wurmbrandt's study Was Karl Marx a Satanist? which he concludes in the affirmative), but supposing someone were so does not prove his writings to be erroneous.*

Other charges have come by supposing it was CSL's fault if Narnia Chronicles are required reading for Wiccans (in fact, CSL is very anti-witchcraft), or by playing on double meanings of the word "magic" where CSL and JRRT use the word loosely, as in any supernatural facts or acts, whereas critics use it about the mortal sin by which human beings seek to procure such powers by an implicit or explicit contract with demons. This thing was of course not anything these authors recommended, indeed a thing they warned very heavily against (confer Angmar's obtaining certain powers by a ring given by Sauron - essentially Abaddon - to mortals, and the horrible effect this has on his being and will, when it comes to Tolkien).

So, whether the authors CSL and JRRT were indebted to were anti-Christian or merely un-Christian, in the cases here mentioned and very well known, they were themselves Christians.

As to Yeats, CSL confesses his earlier infatuation with him as a sin and a weakness, and his writing of certain warnings can be seen as a kind of penance for it.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St Ursula and 11 thousand Virgins
21-X-2015

* Writers are not politicians. If one such is a quockerwodger (explanation, see this link: here, English Historical Fiction Authors : Old Words – London Street Slang from the 1600s to the 1800s, don't vote for him, or he'll betray you. These writers are already dead and can no longer give the general readership any bad surprise. Perhaps it is not surprising that the charge should be made in France where, as Fr. Bryan Houghton said, everything turns on politics. French, even if Catholics, apply the categories of politics to things like ... well, authors.

Monday, August 10, 2015

Les Inklings et Mozart

Sarastro n'est pas Gandalf - c'est Saruman qui est futuriste, qui trouve que le sage (mais par là il n'entend pas l'homme) est en certaine mesure "égal de Dieu" en ce qu'il peut par exemple redéfinir le bien et le mal.

Elrond n'est pas Sarastro, car si sa fille n'est ni exposée à un Monostatos (par lui ou de tout), ni (comme ça se fait aussi par les Sarastri de nos jours) à devenir vieille fille avant de se marier*.

Et si Monostatos symbolise "Cupidon tout cru", oui, les Sarastri de nos jours exposent même les enfants de Kindergarten à une sexualisation prématurée et qui risque de se tourner Monostatosienne plus tard (adolescence atteint sans un sens de honte) pour ne rien dire des adolescents exposés au rock et à la coéducation.

Non, Tolkien n'est pas pro-Sarastro, moi non plus, et CSL ne l'était pas ce que je sache non plus. Mais si les Inklings n'étaient pas pro-Sarastro, par contre, ils sont "un peu" dans la Flûte Enchantée.

Tamino et le Serpent? Silver Chair.

La Reine de la Nuit révélée comme néfaste? Lady of the Green Kirtle dedans.

Tamino commence en croyant les fausses promesses de la Reine de la Nuit pour se convertir plus tard? Bon, Aslan n'est pas Sarastro, mais il y a Edmund qui fait cette erreur avec la Sorcière Blanche.

Le compagnon qui parle trop? Papageno, mais triste au lieu de gai, en Silver Chair il s'appelle Puddleglum (bon, c'est peut-être chercher un peu loin?).

Pour retourner à Tolkien:

Comme Saruman est en Lord of the Rings un Sarastro qui se révèle méchant après avoir été pris pour bon (l'inverse donc par rapport à la Flûte Enchantée), Galadriel est une Reine de la Nuit qui ne se révèle pas telle.

Et le voyage de Tamino est assez évoqué en Smith of Wootton Major - à moins qu'Alf serait un peu Papageno. Et encore dans un modèle intermédiaire, Phantastes par Georges MacDonald.

Aragorn et Arwen sont, comme dit à propos Elrond, un Tamino et une Pamina sans l'absurdité de l'ascèse imposée par Sarastro (et un autre franc-maçon aura en Obéron persiflé comme absurde l'ascèse des moines ou même dit qu'elle n'était qu'hypocrisie - mais celle-ci n'est pas appliquée "fraternellement" à tout le monde). Aravis est quasi une Pamina qui est prête à se suicider, mais qui est retenue - je m'arrête.

Il est très palpable que les Inklings plus ou moins voulaient donner quasi une "flûte enchantée" - mais avec de la doctrine chrétienne intacte et sans la maçonnerie.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris, non pas Bpi
St Laurent
10-VIII-2015

* Arwen étant elfe ne vieillit pas, elle ne commence de vieillir après de devenir humaine en se mariant avec Aragorn.

Sunday, August 9, 2015

Not Bad, if I Went to London, I might Take Chelsea

It seems, the UK Parliament has a constituency called Chelsea and Fulham.

From the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham: Fulham Broadway; Munster; Palace Riverside; Parsons Green and Walham; Sands End; Town.

From the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea: Cremorne; Hans Town; Redcliffe; Royal Hospital; Stanley. The borough was created in 1965 from the former boroughs of Kensington and Chelsea. From the 1983 redistribution, Chelsea consisted of Abingdon, Brompton, Cheyne, Church, Courtfield, Earls Court, Hans Town, North Stanley, Redcliffe, Royal Hospital and South Stanley wards of Kensington and Chelsea.


Now, why is there a Hans Town?

Sloane Square ... is part of the Hans Town area designed in 1771 by Henry Holland Snr. and Henry Holland Jnr. Both the town and square were named after Sir Hans Sloane (1660–1753), whose heirs owned the land at the time.


Since I have so much been occupied in defending pre-Industrial life expectation (once one had survived child mortality threat), I note Hans Sloane was 92 or 93 years old when he died. 1660 - 1700 = 40 years (obviously he had a birthday in 1700). 1700 - 1753 another 53 years - or not fully so, if he died before his birthday that year. And 40+53=93, 40+52=92.

So, "Leopold Mozart was an old man at 40, when medium life expectancy was 45" is, as far as I am concerned, BS - but I was really reading that (in French) in a book by Jean Blot on his son Wolfgang (and I am NOT recommending the book by JB, if I get time I will in French give a few well chosen comments on clearly erroneous passages.

Wonder why he was called Hans instead of John ...

Sloane was born on 16 April 1660 at Killyleagh in County Down, Ireland. He was the seventh son of Alexander Sloane (died 1666), agent for James Hamilton, second Viscount Claneboye and later first Earl of Clanbrassil. Sloane's family had migrated from Scotland, but settled in the north of Ireland under James I. His father died when he was six years old.


Ah, makes sense.

John, Ian or Sean - can't make up your mind? Well, Hans evades the issue!

He died before April 16 1753, btw:

Hans Sloane was buried on 18 January 1753


At an age of 92.

He has been a President of Royal Society. Another such, second previous to him, Somers, took an unglorious part in the illnamed "Glorious" Revolution.

In his maiden speech on 28 January 1689, Somers argued that James II had forfeited his claim to the allegiance of the English by casting himself into the hands of Louis XIV of France and conspiring "to subject the Nation to the Pope, as much as to a foreign prince".


James the VII and II had, first of all, rejected Lewis XIV's offer of helping him get back the throne by an invasion. Second, giving back Civil Rights to Catholics was something quite other than making England, Scotland and Ireland a vassal state to Papal States (though Magna Charta actually was signed by John Lackland, who did so!). Third, ruling after a Catholic conscience doesn't make an English King any more vassal to Rome than ruling after a Protestant one would make England a vassal state to Wittenberg, Strassburg or Geneva (or, before the Union, to Edinburgh).

So, Somers was as Parliamentarian and Historian a total liar - not the last time that happens with scientists, even good ones.

As we talk of Hamiltons (whom Hans Sloane's father Alexander served) and especially Hamiltons of Ireland, it seems the family intermarried with a certain family called Lewis, probably from Wales. Clive Staples Lewis had a brother named Warren Hamilton Lewis - and that obviously after the Hamilton grandfather or Hamilton grandmother's father. I actually think it was their mother who was born a Hamilton.

Of course, the learned and historical aspect of this post, very indebted to various articles of wikipedia, is not the only reason I put the post on this blog. There is another one. In Chelsea and Fulham there is a Socker Team which seems to be famous. Now, on my main blog, I have promised it deals with all subjects "except football/socker".

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
but not Georges Pompidou
Sunday a Week Before Assumption
8-VIII-2015

First found, not much cited:

Wickipeejuh : Chelsea Football Club
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_F.C.


Wickipeejuh : Chealsea and Fulham
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_and_Fulham_(UK_Parliament_constituency)


Wickipeejuh : Sloane Square
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloane_Square


Wickipeejuh : Hans Sloane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Sloane


Wickipeejuh : John Somers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Somers,_1st_Baron_Somers#Glorious_Revolution

Tuesday, June 23, 2015

Two Questions on Narnian Philology (One of them on Charnian such, really)

1) Was the first Tisroc Tash and was he not an Archenlander? 2) Could Jadis' Great-Grand-Father really read people's minds, or did he just imagine so?

1) Was the first Tisroc Tash and was perhaps he himself not an Archenlander?

As readers of the Narnia chronicles will know, Tisrocs in Calormen claim to descend from Tash who is portrayed as a "god" (a false and rather obviously evil heathen god). As readers of the Narnia chronicles will have noticed, though Tisroc and Tarkaan and Tarkheena are obviously not any English titles, nevertheless, Shasta and Aravis grew up in Calormen and have no linguistic difficulties when getting to Narnia and Archenland, while over there the Pevensies a few years earlier had had no linguistic difficulties in Narnia - which gets a satisfactory explanation in the fact that the Narnian world's "secondary Adam and Eve" so to speak are an English couple, Frank and Helen.

Now, this poses a little problem for whatever other linguistic material is there.

Telmarine names have a Spanish flavour. Now, the Telmarines, though descending from English pirates (Spanish is not the court language at Miraz' court, Caspian X has no linguistic difficulties in speaking to the returned Pevensies), may have descended from such as had had contact with Spanish and some nostalgia for Spanish sounding things - enforced perhaps by some similar sound patterns in Polynesian indigenous women's original language. Though very English names, like Rynelf and Rhoop occur as well. And someone among the pirates must have brought along Latin as a learned language. Doctor Cornelius taught it.

Next question is Calormen.

Outside story, one can notice some similarities here and there to scattered European language references. "Lady Zardeenah" has some reminiscence of sardines. Azim Balda is playing around with a Portuguese sound pattern around French "assez" (very, pretty, rather, sufficiently) and German "bald" (not bald headed, but quickly, soon) - very fitting for a city where Calormene post offices are centred. However, this will not do inside the story (or, if, requires quite a few intermediates). What is the explanation in the story for gods like Zardeenah, Tash, people like Ahoshta, Rabadash, Aravis, Alimash, Kidrash, Ilsombreh, Ardeeb, Lasaraleen, places like Zalindreh, Tashbaan (except first syllable clearly refers to Tash), Azim Balda (remember : in story, not in author's associations!), Tehishbaan, and titles like Tarkaan, Tarkheena (notice that we have a consonant change and not just a vowel change), and Tisroc?

Here we get to the wiki on Calormen, as given on Narnia.Wikia.com :

The Calormene empire was founded in the early days of the Age of Conquest, after certain exiled outlaws from Archenland fled across the southern desert and arrived in a then un-inhabited land. They founded the Calormen empire in this new land in the year 204, which started off in the northern band of the country. This was led by a cult leader from Archenland who was called the Tisroc, who claimed himself to be a descendent of the god Tash.

Many disagreed with the new authority's politics, so they migrated south of the small nation, and formed their own nations. Over the years, the Calormenes expanded their empire greatly, conquering many southern countries, whose inhabitants had separated from the early Calormene settlers, most notably the province of the city Zalindreh. In 300, they even colonized the land of Telmar in the west, ... The colonial remnant was plundered into anarchy, until they were forced to assimilate with the 12 Pirates that came from Earth's "South Sea" in 460. After Telmar became a kingdom, it allied itself with Calormen, and the two nations conquered the Conglomeration of Nations between the two countries, and made them satellite states of the Calormen Empire.


Can Calormenes have adopted English first from Telmarines in Telmar and later it went on to Calormen?

Or would Calormenes as coming from Archenland, which was colonised from Telmar, have been English speakers from the first?

Now, this poses a question where the remnants (presumable such in this scenario) of a "Calormene language" came from. My solution is that the first Tisroc was himself called Tash (a cult leader making his followers believe he was god, much like Odin did in Uppsala and Nimrod presumably in Assyria), and that, like Pevensies and first Telmarines, and like Jadis, he was not born in the Narnian world. "Calormene language" would be his native language. Or his construct (like Enochian is also a cult language construct).

One more pointer in this direction:

Calormenes were known to be dark-skinned, with the men mostly bearded. Flowing robes, turbans and wooden shoes with an upturned point at the toe were common items of clothing, and the preferred weapon was the Calormene scimitar. ... It is unknown from where the human race of Calormenes originated, although it is suspected they may have been outlaws sent into the Great Desert from Narnia and Archenland as punishment. Instead of dying, though, they appeared to have successfully crossed the desert, creating their own civilisation at the River Calormen, which eventually became the country of Calormen. Their migration through the Great Desert, with the sun beating down on them, may have also attributed to their dark complexion.


And here end my quotes from:

WikiNarnia : Calormen
http://narnia.wikia.com/wiki/Calormen


Unless some of the river gods or dryads and naiads the sons and daughters of Frank and Helen married were of darker complexion than Frank and Helen, or unless one of them at least was a gipsy, this can't really be. Losing genes for skin colour does not equal gaining them. Whites have lost such genes, and are not likely to get them back by mutations. Of course, genetics maybe doesn't work that way in the Narnian universe. But they could have got it from a new arrival, who would be Tash-the-first-Tisroc. If he had other background.

The dark complexion might even come from Telmar - since the pirates had married (or rape-married) the islanders' women, some of the early Telmarines would have had darker complexion than others - if these had gone south to Calormen?

But would that explain the Calormene language? Only if, a) it was that of islanders' before the pirates and b) it was attached to Calormen after they had received some additions from Telmar.

However, Tash as a new arrival might explain some too. Note, the in this case human Tash would not be identic (though perhaps lending leanness and facial features) to Tash the demon who arrived to the Last Battle. But Tash the demon can have been a demon who already arrived and possessed Tash the man, the first Tisroc.

If such a man, for some reason, had come from our world to Narnia, then he might explain both Calormene cult language and Calormene darker race. There are precedents "in our world" (the real one, in which this is a story) for such things : Nimrod as Gilgamesh or Enmerkar or both and as Osiris, Odin in Uppsala. We might soon be up to a new version of this perverted theme.

This much on the first question.

2) Could Jadis' Great-Grand-Father really read people's minds, or did he just imagine so?*

WikiNarnia : Jadis' great-grandfather
http://narnia.wikia.com/wiki/Jadis'_great-grandfather


"This was the old banqueting hall where my great-grandfather bade seven hundred nobles to a feast and killed them all before they had drunk their fill."


―Jadis, describing her ancestor (Chapter 5 of The Magician's Nephew, cited in article)

He once bade seven hundred nobles to a feast, but killed them all before they had even drunk their fill of wine. He did this simply because they had all had "rebellious thoughts". ... From how he was described by Jadis, her great-grandfather obviously had the power to look into people's minds and read their thoughts. It is not known for certain if Jadis had the same trait as he, but considering the magic that ran through their family's bloodline it is definitely possible. Plus, there were some scenes when she spoke to Digory Kirke and his Uncle Andrew, and seemed like she was able to see into them.


It is uncertain how much C. S. Lewis agreed with St Thomas Aquinas on the topic at hand. If he did, he would hardly have considered either the great grand-father or Jadis herself as capable of actually accurately reading what a man thought or intended in his reason.

Even demons cannot do that.

Demons can pretend to do it:

  • a) by instilling a thought themselves and then when they think it is accepted refer to it;
  • b) by reading physical signs of emotions, which give some probable clues to thoughts.


Note, probable. Not certain ones. Thus, any profession which pretends to read people's thoughts (apart from their normal and clear verbal expressions) is a bogus one.

This includes psychiatry and Freudian psychology.

Such pretences are, and CSL considered Freudian psychology used it that way, likely to be abused in ways of tyranny.

It is likely that we here deal with a warning.

Some of these nobles could very well have been loyal and therefore innocent (in relation to the greatgrandfather, if not to all their people) and his burning them would have been the price he paid for trusting some magica which made him believe he could read thoughts, and where demons used their skills in probabilities and emotion scanning.

CSL might here have been warning us, that psychology and psychiatry might one day be abused for similar securitarian abuses. Or perhaps even magic, if that should be giving better results. It was already and is still (through hospitalisation for mental illness) punishing people for their thoughts. So, take a look at what CSL is parodying. The point is very much the same as in Isaac Asimov's Minority Report, which recently went to be a film. (I take that point as obvious from summaries of film action).

Obviously, like the Tisroc dynasty descending from Tash is a reference to perhaps Yngling dynasty descending from Odin and Frey, so also this illdeed of Jadis' great-grandfather is a reference to the last Yngling who ruled in Uppsala. CSL knew his Nordic stuff.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre University Library
Vigil of St John the Baptist
23-VI-2015

* Perhaps an apt day to speak about this type of false prophecy on the vigil of a feast day of a true prophet. Obviously God can read men's hearts and can and on occasion did communicate what he knew to men, to real prophets, to the human mind of Christ and to priests like the curate of Ars or Padre Pio. But these hardly committed arson.