Are Chabad Greeks?

I mentioned that the theology of the afterlife of Raul Martinez is from Greek tragedy.

I saw Elektra on Swedish TV as a child and I read a summary of the Oresteia though not the whole thing.

In Elektra, The Libation Bearers (part two of the Oresteia) or in both, Agamemnon is said to have no peace until that the life of his murderers, his wife Clytaemnestra and her adulterous lover Aegistus, have been shed.

The Greek connection is pretty firm.

However, there is also a Jewish one, it seems.

The act of murder is viewed as if the murderer had also severed the life of the soul in the celestial regions from its "body" in those regions. Although such separation would have occurred sooner or later anyway [by the natural death of the victim, Ed.], the murderer is punished for having brought this about prematurely. Hence his own soul will not find its resting place until the murder has been avenged. This principle explains the strange story related in Kings I, chapter 21 of the judicial murder of Navot through Jezebel and king Ahab. We are told that the "spirit" of the slain Navot volunteered to seduce king Ahab into sinning by listening to his false prophets and that the Heavenly Tribunal concurred in this act of deviousness by the "spirit" of Navot. (Kings I 22:21)

Hence his own soul ... that of the murderer, who is punished, or that of the murder victim? In context, the latter. But in good logic, it could be the former, rather.

However, while we are at Naboth's vinyeard (a topic that some bring up in connection with Zionism), I pretty well know the story.

I look it up in Douay Rheims with Haydock comment.

No, neither verse 21 in chapter 22, nor the comment attached to it say that the spirit volunteering was Naboth's.

I look up chapter 22 in the interlinear version with Biblica Hebraica and word by word translations, no, there is no indication of the name Naboth in that verse. Just to double-check, in previous chapter Naboth is marked as Strong's lexicon 5022. And doing an F search, no 5022 occurs in all of chapter 22. However there is no problem searching for numbers by an F search. 996 which I find in the first line highlights the "ben" and the "uben" of "ben Aram uben Yisrael" ... the name Naboth simply does not occur in chapter 22.

If Chabad claims to have this reading from the "oral Torah" I claim it's not the oral Torah, it's the oral Aeschylus or Sophocles. Perhaps via Alexander, perhaps via Alexandria, rather the latter, after the rejection of the true Christ.

May Martinez has not failed her daughter just because Christa is still breathing. If it were the case, Elias and God would have failed Naboth when God told Elias "have you not seen his penance?" or words to this effect:

And the word of the Lord came to Elias the Thesbite, saying Hast thou not seen Achab humbled before me? therefore, because he hath humbled himself for my sake, I will not bring the evil in his days, but in his son's days will I bring the evil upon his house
[3 Kings (1 Kings) 21:28-29]

But God did not fail Naboth.

Nor does God fail the martyrs:

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held And they cried with a loud voice, saying: How long, O Lord (holy and true) dost thou not judge and revenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth And white robes were given to every one of them one; and it was said to them, that they should rest for a little time, till their fellow servants, and their brethren, who are to be slain, even as they, should be filled up
[Apocalypse (Revelation) 6:9-11]

[9] "Under the altar": Christ, as man, is this altar, under which the souls of the martyrs live in heaven, as their bodies are here deposited under our altars.

[10] "Revenge our blood": They ask not this out of hatred to their enemies, but out of zeal for the glory of God, and a desire that the Lord would accelerate the general judgment, and the complete beatitude of all his elect.

In other words, they want an end of the conditions that allowed their (temporary, but still radical) misery, not necessarily the damnation and before that misery of the murderers.

They are told by God to rest a little longer, meaning that the loudness of their intercession is not a torment to them, but compatible with repose.

And this goes for other murder victims who are in Heaven too.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. Placidus
5.X.2026

Messanae, in Sicilia, natalis sanctorum Martyrum Placidi Monachi, e beati Benedicti Abbatis discipulis, et ejus fratrum Eutychii et Victorini, ac sororis eorum Flaviae Virginis, itemque Donati, Firmati Diaconi, Fausti et aliorum triginta Monachorum, qui omnes a Manucha pirata, pro Christi fide, necati sunt.

I have consulted, apart from references given above:

Resting in Peace
From Shenei Luchot HaBrit by Rabbi Isaiah Horowitz
https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/379626/jewish/Resting-in-Peace.htm

3 KINGS - Chapter 22
https://johnblood.gitlab.io/haydock/id898.html

1 Kings 22
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_kings/22.htm

1 Kings 21
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_kings/21.htm

Sungenis, How Long Did the Woman Bleed?

You claimed that St. Jerome, or whoever it was, was making eisegesis rather than exegesis about Jairus' daughter and the bleeding woman.

Now, the interpretation that you actually gave as his, while disagreeing with it, was this:

Jesus is called to his eighth miracle when approached by Jairus. However, He is stopped by a bleeding woman who then gets the actual eighth miracle, and then Jairus gets the ninth, indicating Jews will have a grace of conversion after the Gentiles, therefore some time in the endtimes.

Let's pass by Romans 11 or Apocalypse 7 for now. Just a look at this couple of miracles.

And a woman who was under an issue of blood twelve years And had suffered many things from many physicians; and had spent all that she had, and was nothing the better, but rather worse
[Mark 5:25-26]

How long had Classic Greek mythology existed at this time? Its heroic legends are about things around 1179 BC (fall of Troy) or earlier, by the religion of Mycenae was not the same as that Classic Greek religion, it was a different one, Poseidon was more important (and called Potei Daon, so basically Baal Dagon) and Dionysus was different, and Apollo might not have been worshipped yet by Greeks (he apparently was by Trojans, though) ...

This means, the Classic Greek religion was 12 Centuries old at this point in time. Could 12 years in the woman symbolise 12 Centuries for Greece? Well, when St. Paul wants to mention "Gentile" he doesn't say "Roman" (to him that's citizenship and statescraft), he says "Greek" ...

One more thing. Did those worshipping Greek gods become impure by that? Yes. What was the health problem of that woman? One of impurity.

One more.

To whom did these Pagans look for health? You can get it in the wording of the Hippocratic oath.

"Omnumi ton Apollona" ...

I'm not the one swearing, I'm just quoting. So, the Greeks spent loads on the oracle of Delphi. Did it make them any better?

In Aeschylus' The Libation Bearers or at least Sophocles' parallel Electra we learn that Orestes killed his mother on direct order of Apollo who told him his father's soul could get no rest until his killer (and wife, adulteress) had been killed in revenge. That's why in The Eumenides it's Apollo who tries to stop the Erinyes from molesting the mother murderous Orestes, whom they had persecuted.

Now, a god who tells his worshippers to kill a murderer, even if that one be a mother, because the murder victim can get no rest, does that strike you as one healing his worshippers?

And had suffered many things from many physicians; and had spent all that she had, and was nothing the better, but rather worse

In relation to one of them, Apollo, I would say, "rather worse" is the understatement of 7 millennia. In other words, the woman very perfectly symbolises the condition of Greek religion adepts.

Greco-Roman religion had other types of religiosity than the mythological one. For instance Stoicism. But Stoicism is connected to Hercules worship, which in turn has both fostered male homosexuality (confer Romans 1) and then Stoicism itself the chilling comment in Tacitus' Annals, "Paete, non dolet" ... basically, "suicide is no big deal" ...

"Rather worse" very much fits that.

Now, you may pretend, "we need to chose, Alexandrian or Antiochene school, allegory or letter" ... no.

St. Augustine said it of the Ark, and St. Thomas repeats it, as Catholics we believe the letter and the allegory.

Now, what religion could be meant by the daughter of a chief of the Synagogue?

I think I know one who fits the bill. You say they are all dead. Now check verse 39!

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
XIX Lord's Day after Pentecost
memory of St. Francis
4.X.2026

Assisii, in Umbria, natalis sancti Francisci, Levitae et Confessoris; qui trium Ordinum, scilicet Fratrum Minorum, Pauperum Dominarum, ac Fratrum et Sororum de Poenitentia, Fundator exstitit. Ipsius autem vitam, sanctitate ac miraculis plenam, sanctus Bonaventura conscripsit.

Comment enseigne-t-on la Révolution dans les lycées ?

Pancarte vue devant un lycée :

"on a tuer des rois pour ça" ...

Je n'ai pas suivi le début des blocages, mais il me semblait être une question du bac. Ou autres questions des conditions de l'école :

Plus de 35 élèves par classe, des profs absents non remplacés, des bâtiments vétustes : voilà pourquoi certains lycéens bloquent leur établissement pour réclamer plus de moyens. On fait le point.

Pourquoi ils bloquent leur lycée ?
C quoi l'info ? | France Télévisions | Publié le 28/09/2026 14:29
https://www.franceinfo.fr/societe/education/scolarite/guide-parents/lycee/pourquoi-ils-bloquent-leur-lycee_8213399.html

On avait plus de 35 élèves par classe en 1789 et 1793 ? N o n ....

On n'avait pas l'obligation scolaire tout court.

Celle-ci est venu avec les lois Ferry-Combe, pas avant :

Il a été secrétaire de la Convention nationale le 5 janvier 1794, membre et plusieurs fois rapporteur du Comité d'Instruction publique. Il a fait voter un plan sur l'enseignement public, qui a abouti à la loi Bouquier, votée le 19 décembre 1793 (29 frimaire an II) et promulguée le 25 décembre 1793 (5 nivôse an II)[7]. Cette loi, qui a été appliquée jusqu'à l'été 1794, met en place pour la première fois en France une école publique, gratuite et obligatoire, pour les filles et les garçons[8].

Qui ?

Gabriel Bouquier
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Bouquier

1795 on change la donne un peu :

La loi revient sur l'obligation scolaire, qui avait été prévue par la loi Bouquier du 29 frimaire an II. Elle refuse également la gratuité en instaurant une rétribution scolaire qui doit être payée par les familles des élèves, sauf un quart d'entre eux au maximum par municipalité, qui sont considérés comme indigents. Les instituteurs se voient confier un local pour la classe et le logement, mais sont payés par le produit de la rétribution. La loi prévoit une école par canton au moins, le canton étant vu à l'époque comme l'administration territoriale de base. Les programmes du primaire se limitent à la lecture, l'écriture, le calcul et la morale républicaine.

Loi Daunou
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loi_Daunou

Pour quelles raisons donc a-t-on donc fait la révolution ?

La loi Le Chapelier, promulguée en France le 14 juin 1791, est une loi interdisant tout groupement professionnel, que ce soit de gens de métier, le « maître de guilde », ou de leur ouvrier et apprenti. Cette loi s'inscrit dans une volonté de s'affranchir des groupes de pression qu'étaient devenues les corporations et les guildes sous l'Ancien-Régime, mais se concentre sur les associations d'ouvriers, interdisant de fait les syndicats ou autres revendications collectives.

Cette loi fut précédée par le décret d'Allarde des 2 mars et 17 mars 1791 promulguant la liberté d'entreprise et supprimant expressément les corporations au nom de la liberté du travail[2], et de la libre concurrence[3].

Loi Le Chapelier
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loi_Le_Chapelier

Oups, liberté d'exploiter les ouvriers ...

On a aussi reproché aux rois le gaspillage.

Ainsi, de 1780 à 1783, le roi déboursa au total une somme colossale de plus de 148 864 livres pour des achats de bijoux destinés aux étrennes de Madame Élisabeth. L’orfèvre Ange-Joseph Aubert avait livré pour les étrennes des diamants, des colliers, des bagues, des tabatières en or…

Source:

Les étrennes à Versailles sous l’Ancien Régime
https://www.chateauversailles.fr/decouvrir/histoire/grandes-dates/etrennes-versailles-sous-ancien-regime

80 à 83, entre 3 et 4 ans ... 148 864 / 3 = 49 621 par an. Peut-être moins ... mettons ceci en perspective :

En 1788, la dette représente quelque 4 milliards de livres, soit environ 80 % de la richesse du royaume. Sa résorption obsède les contrôleurs généraux des Finances depuis les années 1770.

La dette, poison de l’Ancien Régime
De Guillaume Mazeau | Publication 21 juin 2024, 09:24 CEST
https://www.nationalgeographic.fr/histoire/la-dette-poison-de-ancien-regime-france-monarchie-histoire

On collationnant ces deux sources, la "richesse du royaume" en 1788 devrait être vers 5 000 000 000 de livres. Calculons :

49 621 / 5 000 000 000 = 0.0000099242.

Les étrennes pour Madame Élisabeth étaient donc minuscules, même si la rumeur les faisait peser pour beaucoup dans le fardeau des impôt. Car, oui, c'étaient les imposables qui faisaient la révolution.

C'est peut-être la raison pourquoi on a introduit une école plus expansive sous la Restauration ou plutôt sa continuation à moitié dans la Monarchie de Juillet.

« Article 1. L'enseignement comprend nécessairement l’instruction morale et religieuse, la lecture, l’écriture, les éléments de la langue française et du calcul, le système légal des poids et mesures.

Article 2. Le vœu des pères de famille sera toujours consulté et suivi en ce qui concerne la participation de leurs enfants à l'instruction religieuse. »

L'article 1 de la loi Guizot semble calculé à combattre les fake news sur les dépenses, non ?

Voici l'article wikipédienne sur la loi:

Loi Guizot
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loi_Guizot

Et notons, à propos la pancarte vue :

L'instruction n'est ni obligatoire ni gratuite[3]. Cependant, l'article 21 donne au comité communal la responsabilité de s'assurer « qu’il a été pourvu à l’enseignement gratuit des enfants pauvres », soit un sur trois environ[4]. Elle est réservée aux garçons[5]. Toutefois, les dispositions de cette loi sont partiellement étendues aux filles par l’ordonnance du 23 juin 1836[6].

C'est un roi, pas une régicide, qui donne tellement d'instruction aux français, et rien ne prévoit un bac pour tous. Rien. Encore moins le cas sous la Révolution. Car on a, alors, encore moins éduqué la masse des Français.

En plus, les Révolutionnaires étaient assez franchouillards. Oui, ils étaient davantage nationalistes que le Roi, dont les sympathies pour l'Autriche, qui avait acueilli des aristocrats qui se sentaient dépossédés, étaient la cause principale pour le régicide du 21 janvier 1793 et pour la réginicide du 16 octobre la même année, la Reine déchue étant Autrichienne. Tout juste à propos l'autre pancarte contre le RN, je pense que le propos était un peu moins de bon goût que juste "à bas" ....

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. Rémi de Rheims
1 oct. 2026

13 Januarii Rhemis, in Gallia, item natalis sancti Remigii, Episcopi et Confessoris. Hic gentem Francorum convertit ad Christum, Clodoveo, ipsorum Rege, sacris baptismatis undis et fidei sacramentis initiato; et, cum annos plurimos in Episcopatu explesset, sanctitate et miraculorum gloria conspicuus, decessit e vita. Ejus vero festivitas Kalendis Octobris potissimum recolitur, quo die sacrum ipsius corpus translatum fuit.
1 Octobris Sancti Remigii Episcopi Rhemensis et Confessoris, qui gentem Francorum convertit ad Christum, Clodoveo ipsorum Rege sacro fonte baptismatis, et fidei sacramentis initiato: et cum annos plurimos in Episcopatu explesset, sanctitate et miraculorum virtute conspicuus decessit e vita Idibus Januarii: ejus tamen festivitas hac die recolitur, qua sacrum ipsius corpus postea fuit translatum.

Si quelqu'un me demande sur la Petite Sainte Thérèse, c'est le 3 octobre, s v p !