Ancêtres de Louis II de Monaco

Honoré IV, né le 17 mai 1758 à Paris et mort le 16 février 1819 dans la même ville, est prince souverain de Monaco du 30 mai 1814 au 16 février 1819, après la période d'occupation française (1793-1814).

Le 15 juillet 1777, il épouse Louise d'Aumont, duchesse de Mazarin qui lui donna le titre de baron de Massy transmis à la lignée princière de Monaco. Il en divorce le 22 juin 1793.

Louise Félicité Victoire d'Aumont, duchesse de Mazarin, née le 22 octobre 1759 à Paris et morte le 13 décembre 1826, est une aristocrate française, mère de deux souverains de Monaco.

Charles de Merode, de son nom complet Guillaume Charles Ghislain de Merode, comte de Merode de Westerloo, prince de Rubempré et d'Everberghe, né à Bruxelles le 16 septembre 1762, mort à Bruxelles le 18 février 1830, est un homme politique bruxellois.

En 1778, il épouse Marie d'Ongnies de Mastaing, princesse de Grimberghe, dame de l'Ordre de la Croix étoilée et dernière du nom et héritière par sa mère de la branche de Merode-Deinze, apportant entre autres héritages, les châteaux de Crupet, Ham-sur-Heure, Rixensart et Solre-sur-Sambre.

Archibald Hamilton, 9e duc de Hamilton et 6e duc de Brandon (15 juillet 1740 - 16 février 1819) est un pair et homme politique écossais.

Le 25 mai 1765, il épouse Lady Harriet Stewart (une fille d'Alexander Stewart, 6e comte de Galloway) et ils ont cinq enfants

William Thomas Beckford (29 September 1760 – 2 May 1844) was an English novelist, art critic, planter and politician.[1] He was reputed at one stage to be England's richest commoner.

On 5 May 1783 Beckford married Lady Margaret Gordon, a daughter of the fourth Earl of Aboyne.

Charles-Louis de Bade, né le 14 février 1755 à Karlsruhe et mort le 16 décembre 1801 à Arboga (Suède), fut prince héritier de Bade.

Charles-Louis de Bade épousa le 15 juillet 1774 Amélie de Hesse-Darmstadt (1754 – 1832, fille du landgrave Louis IX de Hesse-Darmstadt).

Amélie de Hesse-Darmstadt fut l'épouse du prince héréditaire de Bade. Elle eut une grande influence sur son gendre le tsar Alexandre Ier de Russie.

Claude de Beauharnais, comte des Roches-Baritaud, né le 26 septembre 1756 à La Rochelle et mort le 10 janvier 1819 à Paris, est un homme politique français.

Il épousa le 17 juin 1786 Claudine Françoise Adrienne Gabrielle de Lézay-Marnézia (1768-1791, fille de Claude-François de Lezay-Marnésia) qui mourut en couches ...

Une génération en arrière :

Honoré III, né Honoré Camille Léonor Grimaldi de Goyon de Matignon le 10 novembre 1720 à Paris et mort le 21 mars 1795 dans la même ville, est prince souverain de Monaco et duc de Valentinois de 1733 à 1793.

Après avoir entretenu en 1753 une relation avec la comédienne italienne Maria Anna Véronèse (1730-1782), marquise de Silly, il se marie le 5 juillet 1757, avec Marie-Catherine Brignole (1737-1813). Son épouse, dont il se sépare en 1770, est la fille de son ancienne maîtresse, la marquise Anna Balbi.

Marie-Catherine Brignole, née le 7 octobre 1737 à Gênes et morte le 18 mars 1813 à Wimbledon1, est une princesse de Monaco par son mariage avec le prince Honoré III en 1757 et une princesse de Condé par son remariage avec Louis Joseph de Bourbon en 1798.

Louis Marie Guy d'Aumont de Rochebaron, né le 5 août 1732 et mort le 20 octobre 1799 au château de Guiscard (Oise), est un militaire français, marquis de Villequier et de Piennes, puis duc de Mazarin (1747), puis duc de Piennes, puis 6e duc d'Aumont et Pair de France, baron de Chappes, maréchal de camp des armées du roi (25 juillet 1762).

Il épouse :

1. le 2 décembre 1747 à Paris Louise-Jeanne de Durfort, duchesse de La Meilleraye et de Mazarin, sa cousine-germaine (Paris, 1er septembre 1735 - Paris, 17 mars 1781), fille d'Emmanuel Félicité de Durfort, duc de Duras, pair et maréchal de France, et de sa première épouse, Charlotte Antoinette de La Porte Mazarin. Ce mariage le fera prince de Porcien et duc de Rethel (Mazarin).
2. Le 30 novembre 1794 à Paris, Marie-Louise Klein, fille de Jacques Klein et de Jeanne Bourcar.

Louise-Jeanne de Durfort de Duras, duchesse de Mazarin, de Mayenne et de La Meilleraye, appelée aussi la duchesse de Mazarin, née à Paris le 1er septembre 1735 et morte à Paris le 17 mars 1781, est une aristocrate française, réputée pour la collection d'objets d'art qu'elle a commandés aux artistes de son temps.

James Hamilton (5 janvier 1703 - 2 mars 1743) est un pair écossais, titré 5e duc de Hamilton.

Il épouse ensuite Anne Spencer le 21 août 1737 ...

Charles Ier Frédéric de Bade (Charles-Frédéric de Bade) est né le 22 novembre 1728 à Karlsruhe, et mort le 10 juin 1811 dans la même ville. Succédant à son grand-père Charles-Guillaume de Bade-Durlach, il est margrave de Bade-Durlach en 1738, puis, ayant rassemblé sous son nom l'ensemble des possessions de sa Maison par héritage en 1771, margrave de Bade. Devenu électeur de Bade par le recès d'Empire en 1803, il est élevé à la dignité grand-ducale par Napoléon en 1806.

Régnant d'abord sous la régence de sa grand-mère Madeleine de Wurtemberg, il fut proclamé majeur et marié à Caroline-Louise de Hesse-Darmstadt en 1746.

Caroline-Louise de Hesse-Darmstadt (après son mariage, Caroline-Louise de Bade), née le 11 juillet 1723 à Darmstadt et morte le 8 avril 1783 à Paris, est une margravine de Bade, artiste, collectionneuse et botaniste du xviiie siècle.

Claude-Joseph de Beauharnais, né à Rochefort le 16 janvier 1717 et mort le 25 décembre 1784 à Paris, seigneur puis comte des Roches-Baritaud (1759), est un officier de marine et gentilhomme français.

Il épouse le 6 mars 1753 à Saint-Eustache, Marie-Anne-Françoise Mouchard de Chaban (1737-1813), dite « Fanny de Beauharnais » après son mariage.

Marie-Anne-Françoise Mouchard de Chaban (1737-1813), dite Fanny, devenue comtesse de Beauharnais par mariage, est une femme de lettres française de la fin du siècle des Lumières qui a traversé l’époque révolutionnaire.

Claude-François-Adrien, marquis de Lezay-Marnésia, né à Metz le 26 août 1735 et mort le 9 novembre 1800 à Besançon, est un militaire, agriculteur et poète utopiste français d'origine lorraine.

De son mariage avec Marie-Claudine-Marguerite de Nettancourt, morte en 1793 à Londres, il a eu trois enfants

40 46 60 62 65 67 67 67 74 78 82 83
01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12

23 45 59 67 75 76 78
01 02 03 04 05 06 07

15 16 17 19 19 22 24 30 32 34 36 36
01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12

12 13 16 17 18 19 20
01 02 03 04 05 06 07

Des 12 hommes à chiffres répérables, les âges à la mort ont été entre 40 et 83, autour de 67, des sept femmes entre 23 et 78, aussi autour de 67.

Pour les mariages, c'était entre 15 et 36 pour les hommes, autour de 23, et pour les femmes, entre 12 et 20, autour de 17.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Ste. Marie Marguerite Alacoque
17.X.2024

So, Women Don't Wear Those Breeches in Austria?

Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Swiss Guards · Φιλολoγικά/Philologica: Not Female Clothing · So, Women Don't Wear Those Breeches in Austria?

No, they wear skirts.

Sankt Oswald bei Freistadt — Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankt_Oswald_bei_Freistadt

Here you can see ladies in long skirts and gentlemen in breeches:

This screenshot is from this video:

MV St.Oswald
psj | 15 June 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAJLXrMJNtI

I'm not Austrian. I am a Swede. But I was born in Austria, and though I visited Sweden early on, there was a part of the late childhood that I spent, once again, in Austria. You might be able to guess, I was at times in a big Swedish city like Malmö somewhat starved of Austrian atmosphere.
/Hans Georg Lundahl

PS, turns out some ladies did fill roles in the music band traditionally reserved for men. In St. Oswald ... so, I present:

Grünau im Almtal — Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%BCnau_im_Almtal

Ohlsdorf, Austria — Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohlsdorf,_Austria

Here the musicians' clothing is more gendered:

Musikverein Ohlsdorf
Musikverein Grünau | 16 July 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygolns3_pYM

What did I say about Troy, Again?

What Did Thor Heyderdahl Say, Again? · What did I say about Troy, Again?

Did Hittites participate in the Trojan War? (Homeric Keteioi)
Wanax TV | 7 Oct. 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAW7HcZsK6g

1:53 The Hittite contingent at the Trojan war, it may really have been very insignificant.

You see, Troy fell 1179 or sth. Perhaps 1184 BC.

Hattusa had already fallen in "around 1200 BC" ... so possibly a decade or two earlier.

11:09 Walter Leaf considered that Mycenaean Greece as well as Troy was a kind of "satrapy" under the Hittites.

There is one more Greek word that could come from Hittites, namely ethos. Hethos would have become ethos by dissimilation of aspirates.

One early use of the word was "taxes" and if Hittites were suzerain, taxes could be "the Hittite thing" ... Linear B is called Semata Lugra in the Iliad, apart from the context of Bellerophon, that could have been a general sentiment about it, since it was often used in tax records.

I'd say deliberate damnatio memoriae.

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Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere
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Encore deux choses, s v p ...

L'Italie ne pratiqua pas l'eugénisme national-socialiste (documenté) · Austro-Fascisme et Empire Austro-Hongrois · Encore deux choses, s v p ...

Je me tournai alors vers la chose qui s’était nommée elle-même fascisme et d’où ce Niagara verbal avait coulé, l’aventure italienne de Mussolini. On en disait hélas, et l’on en lisait, tant de choses, que l’esprit finissait par s’y perdre. De quel fascisme prétendait-on s’occuper ? Celui des squadristes ? De la marche sur Rome ? De l’homme chargé de médailles qui conquit l’Ethiopie et veillait sur le Brenner ? Des accords du Latran ? Des lois de 1938 ? De la République de Salo ? Je nageais un peu quand je lus l’historien Renzo De Felice, que son passé de militant communiste avait vacciné contre le marxisme, et qui distinguait simplement le mouvement fasciste du régime fasciste. C’est lui qui découvrit, à travers une gigantesque et minutieuse biographie de Mussolini jamais achevée, qu’il n’existe pas de définition du fascisme valide en dehors de son histoire. Autrement dit, le fascisme est strictement et limitativement ce qui s’est passé en Italie entre la fin de la Première Guerre mondiale et la Deuxième. Tout le reste n’est pas que fumée, mais propagandes : les définitions « au sens large » du fascisme sont le récit de catéchismes idéologiques conçus et débités pour en tirer du pouvoir.

Ancora due cose, noch zwei Dinge, bitte!

• Casa Pound et les Camps Hobbit;
• "ein zweites aber besseres Deutsches Land" (ou l'homme protégé par la présence italienne au Brenner, ou l'ami de Mussolini, l'ennemi de Hitler, et son successeur, Dollfuss et von Schuschnigg.)

Si Hannibal permet !
/ Hans Georg Lundahl

PS, le citat était de la dernière page de Rivarol n° 3631, apparaît en kiosque demain, le 9 octobre./HGL

Gematria of IHCOYC

Φιλολoγικά/Philologica: Gematria of IHCOYC — Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: 7 D A Style Lies, Refutations by Me

Greek, Simple Name in Nominative:

I	H	C	O	Y	C
10	8	200	70	400	200	= 888

Greek, All Five Cases:

I	H	C	O	Y	C
I	H	C	O	Y
I	H	C	O	Y
I	H	C	O	Y	N
I	H	C	O	Y
10	8	200	70	400	200
10	8	200	70	400
10	8	200	70	400
10	8	200	70	400	50
10	8	200	70	400
50	40	1000	350	2000	250	= 3690

Greek, Five Cases Simplified to Three Distinct Forms:

I	H	C	O	Y	C
I	H	C	O	Y
I	H	C	O	Y	N
10	8	200	70	400	200
10	8	200	70	400
10	8	200	70	400	50
30	24	600	210	1200	250	= 2314

ASCII, all three versions:

I		73		070		03
H		72		140		05
C		67		200		12
O		79		270		21
Y		89		350		30	=380
C		67		410		37	=447
N		78		420		38	=458

447
447 + 380 + 458 = 1285
447 + 380 + 380 + 458 + 380 = 2045

Nope. The number mentioned in Apocalypse 13 is not there in the Holy Name./HGL

Matthew 6:7, Greek Text, Word Meanings

Bible-Hub, Greek Interlinear, Matthew 6:7
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/6-7.htm

Proseuchomenoi	Προσευχόμενοι	Praying
de	δὲ	now
mē	μὴ	not
945 [e]
battalogēsēte	βατταλογήσητε,	do use vain repetitions
hōsper	ὥσπερ	like
hoi	οἱ	the
ethnikoi	ἐθνικοί,	pagans [gentiles]
dokousin	δοκοῦσιν	they think
gar	γὰρ	for
hoti	ὅτι	that
en	ἐν	in
tē	τῇ	the
4180 [e]
polylogia	πολυλογίᾳ	many words
autōn	αὐτῶν	of them
eisakousthēsontai	εἰσακουσθήσονται.	they will be heard

The key disputed terms between Protestants and Catholics are βατταλογήσητε and πολυλογίᾳ. The Strong lexicon will be consulted, but with caution, as Strong was a Protestant.

So, first Strong:

945. battalogeó

Strong's Concordance
battalogeó: to stammer
Original Word: βαττολογέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: battalogeó
Phonetic Spelling: (bat-tol-og-eh'-o)
Definition: to stammer
Usage: I chatter, am long-winded, utter empty words, stammer, repeat.

HELPS Word-studies
945 battologéō – properly, to blubber nonsensical repetitions; to chatter (be "long-winded"), using empty (vain) words (Souter).

Note, both Strong and HELPS include (though not exclusively) the idea of repetitions. And for KJV, NAS, INT translations, if they were good ones, they would have a point.

The word is a composite. Battein would mean simply stammer or stutter. Logein occurs as such in composites, simplex would be legein, and that means speak. So, the composite would at a first approximation mean "stutter-speak" ...

Someone might interpret that as "repeat" but "repeat" is not the meaning of either word, not the obvious meaning of the composite word either. Now, how many ways are there to determine a word meaning? I mean in an old language.

• Etymology. I already covered this.
• Study the different uses. In the Bible, there is exactly one use, this verse, and it is disputed.
• Study old translations of the texts, from the time when the language was a living one. The Vulgate has "multum loqui" ... taken over from next term. The Coptoc and Syriac have "stutter" or "stammer" ... absolutely not one single old translation has "repeat" or "use repetitions"

Worse. There is actually a word for using repetitions. Actually more than one, but we'll stick with the idea of repeating words or phrases. Thrallein. If you were trying to rehearse a poem, you would obviously repeat lines over and over again, and that's thrallein. If Jesus had meant "repeat" as in repeating the Jesus prayer or the Hail Mary, Matthew who was His disciple for 3 and a half years would have known it, and his Gospel would have used the word "thrallein" ...

Or, what about study the one use, and see if there is any clue in the context?

What about this? hōsper hoi ethnikoi ... like the Pagans. Muslims and Hindoos are Pagans, and both of them have repetitive prayers. N o t so fast, please! Muslims didn't exist at the time. Hindoos existed but way further away than Greeks and Romans. Gentiles would typically refer to non-Israelite nations in the immediate situation of Israelites, not in the far off countries one nearly never thought of. Believe me, 1st C. Israel was not the British Commonwealth, and Hindoos were not first on their minds. One could even pinpoint one Pagan and Gentile nation that was very much more likely to be first on their mind. Romans.

So, how did Romans pray? We need not guess. They wrote pretty much. After all, it's from them that we get our alphabet. Velleius Paterculus wrote two books on the history of Rome. In book II, chapter 131, he closes the book with a prayer:

Voto finiendum volumen est. Iuppiter Capitoline, et auctor ac stator Romani nominis Gradive Mars, perpetuorumque custos Vesta ignium et quidquid numinum hanc Romani imperii molem in amplissimum terrarum orbis fastigium extulit, vos publica voce obtestor atque precor: custodite, servate, protegite hunc statum, hanc pacem, hunc principem, eique functo longissima statione mortali destinate successores quam serissimos, sed eos, quorum cervices tam fortiter sustinendo terrarum orbis imperio sufficiant, quam huius suffecisse sensimus, consiliaque omnium civium aut pia fovete aut impia opprimite.

Let me end my volume with a prayer. O Jupiter Capitolinus, and Mars Gradivus, author and stay of the Roman name, Vesta, guardian of the eternal fire, and all other divinities who have exalted this great empire of Rome to the highest point yet reached on earth! On you I call, and to you I pray in the name of this people: guard, preserve, protect the present state of things, the peace which we enjoy, the present emperor, and when he has filled his post of duty — and may it be the longest granted to mortals — grant him successors until the latest time, but successors whose shoulders may be as capable of sustaining bravely the empire of the world as we have found his to be: foster the pious plans of all good citizens and crush the impious designs of the wicked.

No. He was not repeating short phrases. We do not see "three times" (in Latin "ter" would be brief enough to mark a phrase). Nor do we find other indications that he or other Romans would have done the equivalent of "99 names of Allah" or Hindoo mantras, but in his own religion. So, is there anything stuttering about it? Yes. Vellius is obviously nervous to leave no stone unturned among the gods, to not imit the right and relevant deity. Jesus did not use "stutter" about repetitions of words, he used it as a metaphor for nervosity.

Next word?

4180. polulogia

Strong's Concordance
polulogia: much speaking
Original Word: πολυλογία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: polulogia
Phonetic Spelling: (pol-oo-log-ee'-ah)
Definition: much speaking
Usage: much-speaking, loquacity.

HELPS Word-studies
4180 polylogía (from 4183 /polýs, "much in quantity" and 3056 /lógos, "'word, speech") – properly, voluminous words; a great quantity of words (used only in Mt 6:7).

They got this one right. And most Protestant translations usually don't get this wrong. KJV, NAS and INT all have "many words" or "much speaking" ... I would not have marked it if it weren't one translation that stood out badly.

“When you pray, don’t babble on and on as the Gentiles do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again.

This is New Living Translation. For battologein, they did the right thing and translated "babble" ... not exact, but at least doesn't try to demonise repetitive prayer. But Protestants as they are, they couldn't leave that aspect out, so they paraphrased "they are heard for many words" with "their prayers are answered" (so far, so good) "by repeating their words agains and again" ... well, here not a single part of this phrase has anything to do with the actual Greek Text. These Protestants do not depend on the text, they follow a tradition that's not apostolic (since it began in the 1500's) but is only human.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
Sts Cosmas and Damian
27.IX.2024

Aegeae natalis sanctorum Martyrum Cosmae et Damiani fratrum, qui, in persecutione Diocletiani, post multa tormenta, vincula et carceres, post mare et ignes, cruces, lapidationem et sagittas divinitus superatas, capite plectuntur; cum quibus etiam referuntur passi tres eorum fratres germani, id est Anthimus, Leontius et Euprepius.

PS, were there any Greeks who used Buddhist mantras? Ever? Sure:

The Ancient Greeks Who Converted to Buddhism
ReligionForBreakfast | 10 May 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA0wB3d7MgE

It's just that Menander I (most probable candidate for the Menander in the video) was living far off in Sagala, Northern India, Indo-Greek kingdoms ceased to exist in 10 AD, 20 years before the Sermon of the Mount, when one convert was in the Hellenistic world, Pyrrho, the descriptions are so vague by those more involved with the Greco-Roman world that it's somewhat uncertain if he was Buddhist, Hindoo or something else, though Buddhism is likeliest, and even then we cannot determine if he also used mantras or just tried to live according to dharma without such. Pyrrho died in 270 BC, but his philosophy still existed in early Christian times. However, Cicero does not seem to have practised Buddhist mantras, and even if he did, that's not what he would have referred to as praying. What's perhaps even more important, the Romans would have identified their national religion as worshipping the gods on the Capitalium, and there were FOUR different religions apart from actual Bacchus worship which they identified as Bacchus worship: Judaism and Christianity, Hinduism and Buddhism. Probably the mental state induced by reciting mantras was perceived as "drunkenness" ... confer:

And be not drunk with wine, wherein is luxury; but be ye filled with the holy Spirit
[Ephesians 5:18]

What Did Thor Heyderdahl Say, Again?

What Did Thor Heyderdahl Say, Again? · What did I say about Troy, Again?

3:21 In contrast, the Central native American component 3:25 is only associated with the Polynesian ancestry 3:28 on Rapa Nui, with no connection to 3:31 European or Southern native American ancestry. 3:34 This points to an older pre european admixture event.

From this video:

This Hugely Controversial Study Rewrites Polynesian Genetics
Evo Inception | 24 Sept. 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj-AWgVF0AM

Thank you!/HGL