Saturday, August 6, 2022

If "The First Resurrection" is spiritual and from AD 33, is all of Apocalypse 20 true?

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And I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit, and a great chain in his hand.

Until He assumed His human nature, any appearance of Him, as when He had a boxing match with Jacob, and finished calling him Israel because he had "fought with God" - the key we are told is in Christ's hand and I do not know what the chain is.

And he laid hold on the dragon the old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

Before Calvary, the dragon could offer Him all kingdoms, before Assumption, He could say He had all power in Heaven and on Earth.

The Earth's rightful spiritual king has already ended the power of Satan to usurp the earthly kingdom. However, this is not quite still the case the last 3 and 1/2 before He returns.

And he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should no more seduce the nations, till the thousand years be finished. And after that, he must be loosed a little time.

Romans didn't get worse in religion after AD 33, Jews didn't end up worse than the Pharisee generation Jesus had to oppose, and one nation after another, first a few thousand Jews making the Church grow from a club to a nation, then Romans in 313, Armenians a bit earlier, and a chain reaction of nation conversions after that means Satan had much less power than after Babel, when he introduced idolatry.

And I saw seats; and they sat upon them; and judgment was given unto them; and the souls of them that were beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and who had not adored the beast nor his image, nor received his character on their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The endtimes beast and its image could be morally identical to lots of other seductions of powers, by which evil rulers before the Antichrist will have tried to give Satan back some of the power he lost.

Also, we could be talking of some OT saints who had been martyred before Satan was bound, like when he made some powerful Jews too certain Isaiah was a false prophet - or too certain they could bear a true prophet even less. Back then, Satan had "full powers" and equal or greater to when he gets loosed "at the end of the thousand years"

But if this is "a stretch", (meaning too much of one) the alternative is, the Millennium is upcoming, the ones on the thrones are bodily resurrected.

The rest of the dead lived not, till the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

1) The rest of those who died didn't really live, didn't enjoy reigning in Heaven, before the thousand years were over - the martyrs could include all saints, and the hesitation to accept non-martyr saints was very probably reasoned from this one - the rest endure rather than enjoy, even if they are not damned, namely in Purgatory;
2) the martyrs could in fact include all saints and all faithful departed - except the part that stay in Purgatory up to the general resurrection, and then go to Heaven, after the thousand years. Not only do non-martyr saints, but also uncanoniseable ones that spend a few days in Purgatory share the essential dignity of the martyrs, and therefore when the non-canonisables leave Purgatory they are added to this number - the rest of the dead refer then to very sad cases who will "remain in Purgatory to the end of time" (one of them c. 105 + years ago, from the Fatima region, forget which of the seer children asked Our Lady, and also the damned, who will not really be living even after their bodies are permanently raised;
3) or, again, if this is too much of a stretch, the Millennium could be upcoming.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection. In these the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ; and shall reign with him a thousand years.

This verse was totally the go to point for St. Augustine arguing we are in the Millennium, not waiting for it.

First death bodily, second death (a few seconds later? or however long it takes before God judges!) damnation.

Obviously as long as a man is in a state of grace, he is not going to be damned, and if he dies in a state of grace, he cannot get damned.

Reigning with Christ, like souls of martyrs under the altar of heaven, are doing now.

And when the thousand years shall be finished, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall go forth, and seduce the nations, which are over the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, and shall gather them together to battle, the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Some might argue the process of seduction here described began in AD 1033 when Normans and Byzantines quarrelled over Sicily, Byzantines believing they could hire people to do hard, bloody things that take a lot of getting used to before you do them well and that not leaving them unscathed, and yet not pay them, because they had enjoyed the honour of fighting for the Basileus and for Christendom. If so, the process of the loosing of Satan is slow, and still ongoing, and I am seeing both results of it and efforts to make it worse.

Gog and Magog at the four corners of dry land (Eretz in Hebrew is called the same as Eretz meaning earth - when you are welling to make statements like "the earth floats on the waters" you are telling us how dry land looks from the sea and limiting "earth" to just dry land and considering big seas as "outer space" ... a comprehensible terminology, if not the common one), very definitely was not yet in 1033. In our times there are some ethnic entities that can be described as existing in (beginning from North East corner, clockwise for them that look at the map) 1) Kamchatka, 2) Singapore-Sydney or Hobart, 3) Cape Horn or the more inhabited nearby lands in the South tip of Chile and Argentina, 4) and facing 1: Alaska. These groups are: 1) Whites, 2) Indo-Europeans, Yamnaya heritage, 3) Russians, 4) Anglo-Saxons or Germanics, 5) Ashkenazi Jews.

It is certain from another passage Jews will be at the four corners, namely where conversions are coming from, Apocalypse 7. Will converted Jews be Israelites and unconverted Christianity haters Magog? Or will they just be neighbours of and misunderstood or overpampered abetters or pseudo-abetters for some other nation doing the persecution inwards from the corners?

Unconverted Jews are besieging Christians and Muslims in East Jerusalem.

This verse is a fairly overwhelming argument that yes, the Millennium began in 33, because we see signs of its end!

The 3 and a 1/2 years could well be what Magog seduction is the general preparation of.

So, this verse is definitely compatible with us being not waiting for Millennium, but for general resurrection and judgement.

And they came upon the breadth of the earth,

The ethnicities described are not just present at Kamchatka, Hobart, Cape Horn and Alaska, but many other parts of the inhabited lands as well. A place where all are lacking could be termed wilderness. This process has gone on - if St. Augustine read well - since Columbus. Part of its meaning was of course Apocalypse 7 (understanding original inhabitants of Alaska as spiritual Israelites, once converted), but part of its outcome is what follows:

and encompassed the camp of the saints,

Don't you say so, Calvin! And Gustav Wasa, some Swedish Catholics have felt very encompassed since you! Guess St. Thomas More felt very uncomfortable a few weeks in the vicinity of Henry VIII.

And Voltaire, what atrocities have they not committed in your name!

Darwin, some clear non-Magogians felt both encompassed and naked since you changed the view one had on them.

Marx, falsifier of social justice, Brecht, falsifier of King Solomon's judgement ... some of your readers are clearly encompassing ... for instance Catholics.

and the beloved city.

Well, yes, East Jerusalem has had this feeling since ... 1947, 48? Perhaps 67?

And there came down fire from God out of heaven, and devoured them; and the devil, who seduced them, was cast into the pool of fire and brimstone, where both the beast And the false prophet shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Not happened yet, but since close to previous chapter content, again a point for St. Augustine. SHALL BE. If this came 1000 years after these two were cast there, it might have been "were already" for "shall" - but for those disagreeing with St. Augustine, it could be a clumsy Greek translation of the Hebrew "imperfect" which is "past continuous, present continuous, future continuous" in main clauses and in subsidiare ones takes on added nuances of "contemporary action, subsequent action" and the meaning would have been that Hell wasn't over yet for those two guys.

And I saw a great white throne, and one sitting upon it, from whose face the earth and heaven fled away, and there was no place found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them; and they were judged every one according to their works. And hell and death were cast into the pool of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire.

All of this is equally true whether the "end of the thousand years" comes at or 1000 years after the "end of the 1260 days" - whether the general judgement coincides with the second coming (St. Augustine) or arrives 1000 years later. But it is also a truth to ponder - not just to use as probe between Augustine and Justin.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Transfiguration of Christ

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