1) Is It Presentism to Condemn the Racialism of Woodrow Wilson?, 2) Someone Suggested, Maliciously, Lincoln was Murdered for the "Very Dark Cloud" Anti-Catholic Talk
"There is a fact which is too much ignored by the American people, and with which I am acquainted only since I became President; it is that the best, the leading families of the South have received their education in great part, if not in whole, from the Jesuits and the nuns."
In other words, he did not gather it in his own right as explorer of reality, he was told by someone he trusted.
"Hence those degrading principles of slavery, pride, cruelty, which are as a second nature among so many of those people. Hence that strange want of fair play, humanity; that implacable hatred against the ideas of equality and liberty as we find them in the Gospel of Christ."
Was he really that much Anti-South?
Also, I am very much afraid he overdoes the portion of Jesuit and Nun teachers among Southron Aristocracy. The main influence was Calvinism, as with Generals Lee (who was kind to his slaves and freed them all antebellum) and Stonewall Jackson.
"You do not ignore that the first settlers of Louisiana, Florida, New Mexico, Texas, South California and Missouri were Roman Catholics, and that their first teachers were Jesuits"
In Louisiana, though slaves were abundant, they were better treated than elsewhere. For instance, a freed man of colour was, mostly, under France, entitled to wear a pistol. The exception, I recall, was during the period of Regency or possibly personal reign of Louis XV. That is, worst French behaviour to blacks of Louisiana was not inspired by Catholicism, but by Enlightenment, which was a reaction against Catholicism. And also a product of Freemasonry.
In Texas, the slavery came with the Calvinists who led to its secession from Mexico. Santa Ana was as much antislavery as Abe Lincoln.
Florida, New Mexico and South California were not very actively involved in slavery, as far as I know (possibly wrong about just Florida), though they took the side of secession.
"As I told you before, it is to Popery that we owe this terrible civil war. I would have laughed at the man who would have told me that before I became the President. But Professor Morse has opened my eyes on that subject. And now I see that mystery; I understand that engineering of hell which, though not seen or even suspected by the country, is putting in motion the large, heavy, and noisy wheels of the state cars of the Southern Confederacy. Our people is not yet ready to learn and believe those things, and perhaps it is not the proper time to initiate them to those dark mysteries of hell; it would throw oil on a fire which is already sufficiently destructive. You are almost the only one with whom I speak freely on that subject."
- 1) If the quote is genuine, Abe was overtrusting the expertise of Professor Morse;
- 2) If the quote is genuine, Abe was not saying this in a speech, but in a private conversation. With some confidant. Which means his words carry far less responsability on his part than the JFK speech against insiders, which was really a speech.
- 3) If the quote is genuine, I would like to know if Professor Morse was a Calvinist or a Freemason.
Will try to check that anyway, and go by wikipedia for Morse code. Then its inventor. Hah, it worked! Here:
"Samuel Finley Breese Morse (April 27, 1791 – April 2, 1872) was an American painter and inventor. After having established his reputation as a portrait painter, in his middle age Morse contributed to the invention of a single-wire telegraph system based on European telegraphs. He was a co-developer of the Morse code, and helped to develop the commercial use of telegraphy."
Since he lived longer than Abe Lincoln and since he was arguably already famous for the Morse Code well more than a decade before he could have met Abe, this would probably be him.
"Samuel F. B. Morse was born in Charlestown, Massachusetts, the first child of the pastor Jedidiah Morse (1761–1826), who was also a geographer, and his wife Elizabeth Ann Finley Breese (1766–1828). His father was a great preacher of the Calvinist faith and supporter of the American Federalist party. He thought it helped preserve Puritan traditions (strict observance of Sabbath, among other things), and believed in the Federalist support of an alliance with Britain and a strong central government. Morse strongly believed in education within a Federalist framework, alongside the instillation of Calvinist virtues, morals and prayers for his first son."
OK, Morse had a strong Calvinist bias. At least as strong as what Tolkien called C. S. Lewis' Ulsterior motives (not a misspelling, but a pun intended) for non-conversion to Catholicism and probably much stronger. C. S. Lewis had a Catholic friend (namely Tolkien) and never spoke out harshly against Catholicism. VERY different kind of Protestant compared to Morse.
"After attending Phillips Academy in Andover, Massachusetts, Samuel Morse went on to Yale College to receive instruction in the subjects of religious philosophy, mathematics and science of horses. ..."
Was the subject religious philosophy at YALE (New England, Connecticut, between Plymouth Rock and New York, though closer to latter), back in 19th Century, taught in a manner fair to Catholics or in a manner unfair to Catholics?
Anyone somewhat familiar with facts will see one overwhelming probability.
"While at Yale, he attended lectures on electricity from Benjamin Silliman and Jeremiah Day, and was a member of the Society of Brothers in Unity. He supported himself by painting. In 1810, he graduated from Yale with Phi Beta Kappa honors."
Phi Beta Kappa, Brothers in Unity, the latter is a secret society, the former is short for Φιλοσοφία Βίου Κυβερνήτης or in Latin letters Philosophia Biou Cybernētēs, which is not a Catholic sentiment, and it is a society.
So, Morse was in company which was probably very Anti-Catholic.
"Morse was a leader in the anti-Catholic and anti-immigration movement of the mid-19th century. In 1836, he ran unsuccessfully for mayor of New York under the anti-immigrant Nativist Party's banner, receiving only 1496 votes. When Morse visited Rome, he allegedly refused to take his hat off in the presence of the Pope.
"Morse worked to unite Protestants against Catholic institutions (including schools), wanted to forbid Catholics from holding public office, and promoted changing immigration laws to limit immigration from Catholic countries. On this topic, he wrote, "We must first stop the leak in the ship through which muddy waters from without threaten to sink us."
"He wrote numerous letters to the New York Observer (his brother Sidney was the editor at the time) urging people to fight the perceived Catholic menace. These were widely reprinted in other newspapers. Among other claims, he believed that the Austrian government and Catholic aid organizations were subsidizing Catholic immigration to the United States in order to gain control of the country."
In other words, Morse was an Anti-Catholic hot head and he was probably somewhat influential in making US support Benito Juarez against Emperor Maximilian.
As he was against Catholic schools, this does not witness of a great love of freedom in himself. It is a bit like Commies arguing against Christian homeschooling liberties (and this against both Calvinists and Catholics).
I must admit I had from the heading "marriages" - plural - suspected he was a bigamist by divorce, no he was an honest widower, as the article stands now, when wooing the second bride.
But what I do find in Morse is really bias enough and more than enough to discredit the possible advice he gave to Lincoln, before this man possibly said the above quoted words to some confidant in private.
It is even possible secret societies who were disappointed with Lincoln not keeping up the Catholic stance, when he got a chance to get personal acquaintance could be behind the assassination.
In order for Lincoln to have been assassinated for the "very dark cloud speech", it would have had to been publically known, or his confidant would have had to be spying for the Vatican. It was, as said, a talk in private to a confidant.
In order for Lincoln to have been assassinated for not living up to it, the confidant does not totally need to have been a spy for secret societies, the talk does not need to have been known. But the fact it was ultimately known (if genuine!) might argue the confidant was either that or a very benighted man if thinking that speech was why he was killed.
Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre University Library
Vigil of the Immaculate Conception
of Our Lady, the BV Mary
Quoted works on which I commented:
My Gospel Workers : I see a very dark cloud on our horizon. And that dark cloud is coming from Rome – Abraham Lincoln
The Wickipeejuh : Samuel Morse