Thursday, July 11, 2019

Rome and Nazareth, Maybe Temple and Jericho Too


Creation vs. Evolution: Diagrams - seven and two halflives' apparent carbon age · Φιλολoγικά/Philologica: Rome and Nazareth, Maybe Temple and Jericho Too

In my view of the carbon rise, I have basically been considering the rise as up to the level known as 100 percent modern Carbon (100 pmC) and no further.

However, one can ask whether possibly the level rose even higher, so some centuries have things dated younger than they are, not just older.

What items strike as candidates for arguing this possibility?

  • Raymond Bloch in his "Les Origines de Rome" (the collection que sais-je? n° 216) argued that in VIIIth C. BC Rome only had huts.

    He bases this on the excavations of Germalis, the West point of Palatine Hill.

    One reply could be, excavating Palatualis (East point of same hill) could give another result. (I'm not sure when writing this whether my point may have been already refuted).

    Another reply could be the one I gave back nearly nine years ago:

    Φιλολoγικά/Philologica : Quelle discrépance de critères entre Buican et Bloch ...
    https://filolohika.blogspot.com/2010/11/quel-discrepance-de-criteres-entre.html


    Namely, for those not reading French, that the size of the habitations on Germalis would have struck Romulus and Remus as a city, especially with certain rites and institutions attached, even if it would have struck us or even Caesar Augustus as a small hamlet.

    And a third one could be, the hamlet of VIIIth C BC, thus around 753 BC, according to carbon measures, could be actually older, and misdated as as recent as VIIIth C because of a higher carbon 14 level back then.

  • Citing a review:

    That all depends on where one stands, but Rene Salm has shown that we have an utter void of archaeological vestiges of the Galilean home town of Jesus. At least there was no such town in the early part of the first century. The area had indeed been inhabited in the Iron and Bronze Ages, but by the time of Jesus it had been empty and windswept for some eight hundred years. It began to be repopulated about the middle of the first century CE, twenty years after Jesus’ ostensible death.


    r m p REVIEWS : Rene Salm, The Myth of Nazareth: The Invented Town of Jesus.
    American Atheist Press, 2008. Reviewed by Robert M. Price
    http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/reviews/salm_myth_nazereth.htm


    And what if carbon 14 content was so high the repopulation is misdated by a few decades to the younger?

  • In the Roman martyrology, 1032 BC is marked as Anointing of King David to King. I have a hunch this could be a conflation of two different dates, namely 1032 BC for King Solomon's Temple, and 1082 BC for Anointing of King David (would fit better with Exodus in 1510 BC, if I recall the details, according to some ways of fitting the Biblically indicated time spans.

    However, there was an excavation on Temple mound after an earthquake a few decades ago, and timber from the temple or supposed such was dated to the other known date for Solomon's Temple - tenth (or ninth?) C. BC.

    What if that dating is due to timber being of trees having grown in an atmosphere exceeding 100 pmC?

  • The last item depends on two debatable propositions:

    • That of the two levels of Jericho, the relevant one for Joshua is level IV which was carbon dated to 1500's BC, not level III which Garstang took as the fallen walls or not exclusively (one could argue the falling of walls occurred at date for level IV but contain material that was older, giving the date for level III, so that they belong together);
    • that standard LXX dating as per Syncellus is applicable, so that the real date of Exodus was in 1600's and not 1500's BC.


    If so, the level III would be dated as more recent than it is, and that would mean the carbon level had reached and passed by 100 pmC somewhat upward.

    I had argued this as a possibility back in late June two years ago:

    1644
    1550
    0094

    94 years too little = a carbon content of 101.144 pmc when Jericho fell.


    Creation vs. Evolution : Comparing Three Roads from Seven Cows to Seven Trumpets
    https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2017/06/comparing-three-roads-from-seven-cows.html


Food for thought, this is one reason why I hesitate to continue my carbon tables past Joseph in Egypt as Djoser's Imhotep up to the even level of carbon 14.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
Pope and Martyr St. Pius I of Rome
11.VII.2019

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