Friday, December 16, 2016

What does Newgrange Suggest to me? Was Lugos a Celtic Pharao?

Here is first a link to Barry Cunliffe's St Patrick Day lecture on Celts

Barry Cunliffe: Who Were the Celts?
BYU Department of Anthropology

And then one to my comments on it:

Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere : ... on Barry Cunliffe's St Patrick Day's Lecture on Celts

Where I state the following:

The great megalithic tombs ...

4500 BC
3500 BC

According to my Fibonacci modelling of C14 rise, this looks like this:

2420 av. J.-Chr. 76,66562 % + 2200 ans, 4620 av. J.-Chr.
2241 av. J.-Chr. 86,26541 % + 1200 ans, 3441 av. J.-Chr.

New blog on the kid : Avec un peu d'aide de Fibonacci ... j'ai une table, presque correcte

So, 2420 BC to 2241 BC is the period you are talking about, and I wonder, does that affect your model significantly? 

You mentioned 6000 BC.

Here is my recalibration for c. 6500:

2599 av. J.-Chr. 62,75068 % + 3850 ans, 6449 av. J.-Chr.

(same link)

Here is the thing. 2599, 2420, 2241 BC are not long after Babel.

On the other hand, a 2241 misdated as 3500 BC is still shortly before Early Dynastic Egypt as usually dated. Limit is 3100 BC.

And since 3100 BC is between 3441 BC and 2792 BC, this would, if 3100 BC was carbon dated, be like this:

"2241 av. J.-Chr."
"86,26541 % + 1200 ans, 3441 av. J.-Chr."

Mid point 2151 BC
related to mid point 3116 BC

"2062 av. J.-Chr."
"91,58056 % + 730 ans, 2792 av. J.-Chr."

So, 3500 BC to 3100 BC is a lapse of 400 years.

But 2241 BC to 2151 BC is a lapse of only 100 years. Could the Pharaonic dynasties of Egypt have started with sth Celtic or pre-Celtic related to Newgrange?

A hint is here : Egyptian paganism and Celtic paganism alike are sunworshippers. And where Newgrange is, is Ireland, where Ireland is, you have Lugh Lamh Fáda as a sungod and one of the Túatha* Dé Danann, the people of the goddess Dana.

Even more funny, the Tuatha Dé Danann are said to be connected to Newgrange:

"During the medieval period, Newgrange and the wider Brú na Bóinne Neolithic complex gained various attributes in local folklore, which was often connected to figures from wider Irish mythology. The monuments of the Brú were thought of by some as being the abode of the supernatural Tuatha De Danann, whilst others considered them to be the burial mounds of the ancient kings of Tara."

What if the folklore was right on both accounts?

Since it happens that men are "made into gods", but also that more powerful rules peter out into less powerful either dynasties or power centres, it is possible that some powerful ruler of a sungod-relative (roughly Inka or Pharao type) settled here soon after Babel, and then was deified, while the kingship of Tara and the traditions about gods continued independently, both related to Newgrange.

And since Egypt started being dynastic and pharaonic only after this time, it is possible that this is where David Rohl's Falcon Tribe was rehearsing the take over they later did in Egypt.

So, suppose kings like Dagda and Lugos were in their time or soon after worshipped as gods, but also left a power centre in Tara, and then left for Egypt.

One implication to solidify it would be linguistic influence.

It seems Irish is a VSO language like Coptic and sometimes Hebrew - but are there words also linkable? I don't know.

Another implication might be genetic similarities - and some have dated a certain Y-chromosome phylum from Tutankhamon and included lots of Irish in it.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
Ember Friday of Advent
and Sts Ananias, Azarias and Misael

* It is funny that there are three language groups which have the tuath gloss : Celtic or at least the Irish branch, as witness the word, Germanic with Norse þioð, and Baltic, with Lithuanian Tautas.

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