Friday, November 6, 2015

Grain Stores of Joseph

“My own personal theory is that Joseph built the pyramids to store grain,” Carson said. “Now all the archeologists think that they were made for the pharaohs’ graves. But, you know, it would have to be something awfully big if you stop and think about it. And I don’t think it’d just disappear over the course of time to store that much grain.”*

Here is some text**:

[41] And again Pharao said to Joseph: Behold, I have appointed thee over the whole land of Egypt. [42] And he took his ring from his own hand, and gave it into his hand: and he put upon him a robe of silk, and put a chain of gold about his neck. [43] And he made him go up into his second chariot, the crier proclaiming that all should bow their knee before him, and that they should know he was made governor over the whole land of Egypt. [44] And the king said to Joseph: I am Pharao; without thy commandment no man shall move hand or foot in all the land of Egypt. [45] And he turned his name, and called him in the Egyptian tongue, The saviour of the world. And he gave him to wife Aseneth the daughter of Putiphare priest of Heliopolis. Then Joseph went out to the land of Egypt:

[46] (Now he was thirty years old when he stood before king Pharao) and he went round all the countries of Egypt. [47] And the fruitfulness of the seven years came: and the corn being bound up into sheaves was gathered together into the barns of Egypt. [48] And all the abundance of grain was laid up in every city. [49] And there was so great abundance of wheat, that it was equal to the sand of the sea, and the plenty exceeded measure. [50] And before the famine came, Joseph had two sons born: whom Aseneth the daughter of Putiphare priest of Heliopolis bore unto him.

[51] And he called the name of the firstborn Manasses, saying: God hath made me to forget all my labours, and my father' s house. [52] And he named the second Ephraim, saying: God hath made me to grow in the land of my poverty. [53] Now when the seven years of the plenty that had been in Egypt were past: [54] The seven years of scarcity, which Joseph had foretold, began to come: and the famine prevailed in the whole world, but there was bread in all the land of Egypt. [55] And when there also they began to be famished, the people cried to Pharao for food. And he said to them: Go to Joseph: and do all that he shall say to you.

[56] And the famine increased daily in all the land: and Joseph opened all the barns, and sold to the Egyptians: for the famine had oppressed them also. [57] And all provinces came into Egypt, to buy food, and to seek some relief of their want.

Comments by Bishop Challoner:

[45] The saviour of the world: Zaphnah paaneah.

[51] Manasses: That is, oblivion, or forgetting.

[52] Ephraim: That is, fruitful, or growing.

Now, we are told barns were built. Many barns from 19th C. from Midwest are gone. They were of wood, and the text does not specify the barns were of stone.

Now, look how big a barn would be for a normal city, or how big its barns would be, for it would obviously have many silos. I think we have found many silos in the oldest layers of Jericho, but those were of stone.

A barn of wood would of course last for the seven years, and for that matter last so far into the next century that it was not torn down and used for other purposes. But would it not precisely have been torn down? If the barns were to store grain for seven years, they were about seven times greater than ordinary barns, either individually or by being seven times more numerous. But such a long starvation and bad harvest was very exceptional. After the period ended, would the extra barns not about a century later have been felt as useless?

If the barns had been still standing, supposing the pyramids had been these barns, would not forgetting about Joseph have been pretty difficult? Not impossible, one can reinterpret the past (which evolutionists are doing all the time), but forgetting would have been somewhat easier if the barns had simply been torn down and the wood reused as timber or as firewood, as like what has happened to so many barns from the 19th C. Midwest, especially where the countryside in the meanwhile has become an industrial city or a railway junction with commercial import.

Other indication, actually the first thing I noticed while looking at the text, namely these words:

and the corn being bound up into sheaves was gathered together into the barns of Egypt. [48] And all the abundance of grain was laid up in every city.

We see barns. We also see cities. Of course, the cities may not have contained the barns, since it may have been moved from barns to cities. But on the other hand, the cities may very well have contained the barns and therefore the barns be barns in cities. Obviously there are not pyramids in every ancient city of Egypt. There are not any pyramids in Assuan, as far as I recall. But if Assuan was an Egyptian city, obviously grain was even so stored in Assuan. So, grain was stored definitely elsewhere than in pyramids. At least in some cases. Therefore there must have been at least some other barns than the pyramids. And therefore, in turn, though pyramids may have been among the barns, they do not need to have been. The argument falls flat.

And there are then arguments for pyramids being tombs or near tombs for kings apart from this discussion. Therefore, even any pyramid being a barn is not on my top list of the likeliest theories.

My own theory is that the Gizeh pyramid was constructed so as to make electric power fields in order to stay the rotting of the corpse of Osiris, who may have been Nimrod. And that even so Osiris was never resurrected, technology waned on that point, and later pyramids were more simply tombs, or perhaps good luck charms near to tombs. This theory also is not my own, you go to Red Moon Rising, Gizah Discovery, Rob Skiba II for that stuff.

But if they are right or not, I think Carson is slightly off in calling them basically "barns of Egypt". There are two ways of storing seven times more grain than usual. Either build seven times bigger barns, but as many as usual. Or build seven times as many barns, but same size as usual. There is of course also a third way, namely to build seven times fewer barns, but each barn fortynine times more volumous than usual, and this seems to have been the way that occurred to Mr. Carson. Not impossible, per se, but not on my top list of most likely theories. Indeed, somewhat unlikely.

Hope the idea about seven times MORE barns might give Mr. Carson some good ideas if he should become president, or give someone else some good ideas if someone else should be president. Since Carson and Fiorina have gematria values 665 (for BENCARSON) and 667 (for CFIORINA or C. FIORINA, don't recall which), it is possible they will both in a sense be "neighbours of the beast" and in one of the cases, that might be by being elected. No doubt the US President, if NOT the Beast, will in some sense be "neighbour" with it.

Or he might prefer the spelling "neighbor", which does not change pronunciation. I am not a fan of that kind of spelling reform, but if he's an US Patriot, he has some kind of right to it, since the spelling reform of 1906 in US at least provided distinction from UK. Our own Swedish spelling reform same year did not even do that. Both Finland Swedes and Minnesota Swedes ignored it only for a while, and even when they did so, they were hardly laying the major claims to Swedishness that Sweden needed to mark itself off from. If convenience had been the issue, and "neighbor" saves a letter compared to "neighbour", why not "naber"? That kind of non-logic is a shared trait with the spelling reforms.

Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St Leonhard of Limoges

* Cited from:

Ben Carson: Egyptian Pyramids Built For Grain Storage, Not By Aliens Or As Tombs
posted on Nov. 4, 2015, at 10:01 p.m.
by Nathan McDermott and Andrew Kaczynski

I highly endorse this however:

“…you know, it doesn’t require an alien being when God is with you.”

Applicable, obviously, to the useful grain barns. Not sure God was with pyramid builders.

** Cited from: Douay-Rheims Bible + Challoner Notes
Book Of Genesis : Chapter 41

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