Here is a table from Habermehl's essay or paper :
Instrument(s) | ||
---|---|---|
Standard Date (presumed as C14) | Biblical Date (according to A. Habermehl) | |
Divje Babe bone flute (Turk & Dimkaroski 2011) | ||
50,000 BP | 2500 BC | |
Hohle Fels bone flute (Conard et al. 2009) | ||
35,000 BP | ≈2400 BC | |
Chinese flute set (Zhang et al. 1999) | ||
7,000–5,000 BC | 2300–2100 BC | |
Antaras of Peru (Bishop 2014) | ||
≈4200 BC | ≈2100 BC | |
Harp rock etching from Megiddo (Braun 2002) | ||
≈3300–3000 BC | 2000 BC | |
Lithophone of Vietnam (Lithophone 2008) | ||
3000 BC | 1900 BC | |
Sumerian musicians bas relief (Wilson 2012) | ||
3000 BC | 1900 BC | |
Boat lyre of Ur (de Schauensee 2002) | ||
2500 BC | 1600 BC | |
Megiddo ivory plaque lyre (Bromiley 1986) | ||
1150 BC | 650 BC | |
Harps bas relief from Nimrud (British Museum) | ||
870 BC | 625 BC | |
Hittite musicians sculpture (Ceram 1973) | ||
750 BC | 600 BC | |
Table: A. Habermehl 2015, transscr. HGL 2017
source: Dating Prehistoric Musical Instruments: The Two Timelines Anne Habermehl http://www.creationsixdays.net/dating_prehistoric_musical_instr.htm |
So, I know from the paper also that she goes about using all of evolutionist dating - C14 or otherwise - as one timeline, to be compressed according to the Biblical one, so she places Flood at "beginning of Huronian Ice Age" because all the ice ages were only one (doesn't mean their timeline has to be compressed into one) and "it" = "all of them" = "the first of them" began at the Flood.
While ice age may well have begun at the Flood, the dating of Huronian ice age has nothing to do with carbon dating and should not be involved in compressing the time line of carbon dates. Now, archaeology has mostly only carbon dating and dendrochronology, sometimes comparisons of style with artefacts that elsewhere have been carbon dated. So, all the time line of the musical instruments is very apt for a compression of a purely carbon date related timeline, like the compression I did here:
New blog on the kid : Avec un peu d'aide de Fibonacci ... j'ai une table, presque correcte
http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/2015/10/avec-un-peu-daide-de-fibonacci-jai-une.html
- 2957 BC
- or, year of the Flood
- acc. to Roman Martyrology
- 3.90625 % + 26 800 years
- 29 757 BC (20 000 ?? – 50 000 ?)
- acc. to Roman Martyrology
- 2778 BC
- 40.23593 % + 7550 years
- 10 328 BC
- 10 328 BC
- 2599 BC
- 62.75068 % + 3850 years
- 6449 BC
- 6449 BC
- 2420 BC
- 76.66562 % + 2200 years
- 4620 BC
- 4620 BC
- 2241 BC
- 86.26541 % + 1200 years
- 3441 BC
- 3441 BC
- 2062 BC
- 91.58056 % + 730 years
- 2792 BC
- 2792 BC
- 1883 BC
- 94.86521 % + 440 years
- 2323 BC
- 2323 BC
- 1704 BC
- 96.89571 % + 260 years
- 1964 BC
- 1964 BC
- 1525 BC
- 98.14985 % + 150 years
- 1675 BC
- 1675 BC
- 1346 BC
- 98.92632 % + 90 years
- 1436 BC
- 1436 BC
- 1167 BC
- 99.40408 % + 50 years
- 1217 BC
- 1217 BC
- 988 BC
- 99.70269 % + 30 years
- 1018 BC
- 1018 BC
- 809 BC
- 99.88185 % + 10 years
- 819 BC
- 819 BC
- 630 BC
- 100.00129 % 0 years ±.
- 630 BC
Since a few days ago, I consider that dates from 20,000 BC are clearly post-Flood. 22000 BP = 6.986 % remaining.
6.986 % remaining, divided by the 54.788 % of decay mean the original, if from that year, would have been 12.75 %, which is a high contrast to a mean of 3.9 % and minima reaching below. Even if post-Flood levels soon rose from 3.9 % past these 12.75 %, to 40 % in only 179 years.
Instrument(s) | ||
---|---|---|
Standard Date (presumed as C14) | Biblical Date (Fibonacci table for C-14 conversion) | |
Divje Babe bone flute | ||
50,000 BP | pre-Flood or close to Flood 2957 BC | |
Hohle Fels bone flute | ||
35,000 BP | pre-Flood or close to Flood 2957 BC | |
For above, pre-Flood values are possible, and for Divjo Babe bone flute at least rather probable. | ||
Chinese flute set | ||
7,000–5,000 BC (C14?) | 2778 - 2599 - 2420 BC | |
Antaras of Peru (Bishop 2014) | ||
≈4200 BC | 2420 - 2241 BC | |
Harp rock etching from Megiddo | ||
≈3300–3000 BC | 2241 - 2062 BC | |
Lithophone of Vietnam | ||
3000 BC | 2241 - 2062 BC | |
Sumerian musicians bas relief | ||
3000 BC | 2241 - 2062 BC | |
Boat lyre of Ur | ||
2500 BC | 2062 - 1883 BC | |
Megiddo ivory plaque lyre | ||
1150 BC | 1167 - 988 BC | |
Harps bas relief from Nimrud | ||
870 BC | 988 - 809 BC | |
Hittite musicians sculpture | ||
750 BC | 809 - 630 BC | |
Table: H. G. Lundahl 2017 |
I have here not dared to be more precise than giving a Biblical date between two years.
How would I go about 7000 - 5000 BC for a more precise date?
2778 40.23593 %
2599 62.75068 %
5377 C2.98661 %
2688 51.4933 %
51.4933 % * 56.6 % = 29.1452078 %
29.1452078 % = 10200 BP = 8200 BC
2688 051.4933 %
2599 062.75068 %
5287 114.24398 %
2643 057.12199 %
57.12199 % * 56.909 % = 32.5075532891 %
32.5075532891 % = 9300 BP = 7300 BC
2643 057.12199 %
2599 062.75068 %
5242 119.87267 %
2621 059.93633 %
59.93633 % * 57.061 % = 34.2002692613 %
34.2002692613 % = 8850 BP = 6833 BC
2643 057.12199 %
2621 059.93633 %
5264 117.05832 %
2632 058.02916 % * 56.985 %
= 33.067916826 % = 9150 BP = 7133 BC
Close enough to 7000 BC.
And for the other date, 5000 BC?
2599 062.75068 %
2420 076.66562 %
5019 139.4163 %
2509 069.70815 % * 57.839 %
= 40.3184968785 % = 7500 BP = 5500 BC
2509 069.70815 %
2420 076.66562 %
4929 146.37377 %
2464 073.186885 % * 58.155 %
= 42.56183297175 % = 7050 BP = 5013 BC
Close enough too.
A caveat, I skipped the part in which 2017-1950 = 67 years are deduced from the resulting dates to get a conventional BP, and instead deduced the 2017 (or at worst 2000) from the BP date instead of deducing 1950, to get the BC date.
Another caveat. The table I came up with should, on a graph, be a curve. This way of calculating flattens the stretch between the already fixed points.
Apart from that, a carbon date 7000 - 5000 BC = roughly a Biblically revised carbon date of 2632 - 2464 BC. Two millennia reduced to less than two hundred years. And I suppose that the set of flutes has not been dated in the flutes themselves, but that the place they were found in has been dated by similarity to a culture elsewhere carbon dated at 7000 - 5000 BC. Supposing the flutes were dated themselves, that would mean that a double flute either had been 2000 years between the one which is original and the one which is repair or less than 200 years, much more realistic. But I hope Zhang et al. back in 1999 didn't miss such a thing. So, I hope for their sake, the dating of the flute set is not carbon dating on the flutes themselves.
Hans Georg Lundahl
Nanterre UL
St. John Chrysostom*
27.I.2017
* I could also have taken St Angela Merici, but since this is music, and since the patron Saint of Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgang Gottlieb Mozart, better known as Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart is St John Chrysostom ...
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